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Old 02-15-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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. . . . God doesn't give man commands without the power to obey those commands.

Is that really a true about God?
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:15 AM
 
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. . . . God doesn't give man commands without the power to obey those commands.

Is that really a true about God?
From a non-Christian perspective:

I don't think God would ask someone to do something, knowing full well that it would be impossible for him to accomplish.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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From a non-Christian perspective:

I don't think God would ask someone to do something, knowing full well that it would be impossible for him to accomplish.

Indeed, I agree! However, might I ask what rebellion would be all about?

God gave Adam a command to obey. It was expected of him to obey it? __and Adam was without sin.
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Old 02-15-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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Indeed, I agree! However, might I ask what rebellion would be all about?

God gave Adam a command to obey. It was expected of him to obey it? __and Adam was without sin.
Correct. Adam could obey and chose not to.

Many believe God saw the fall and did nothing and some believe he made the fall. In either case that denigrates God significantly as to love and power. Both are far different than seeing the potential and letting man make the choice.
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Old 02-15-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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. . . . God doesn't give man commands without the power to obey those commands.

Is that really a true about God?
The Word talks about the Power of Sin, one that fallen Mankind is enslaved to.. because fulfillment of sin appeals to our flesh.. our fallen nature.. even when one does good, evil is present with them (Romans 7 paraphrase).. generally it has a self serving motive of some fashion.

So the question is.. Can an unregenerate Man obey God's Commands? ..The Pharisee's obeyed the external observance of the letter of the Law.. they thought by doing so they would be righteous before God.. They were wrong.. Christ repeatedly called them Hypocrites (ie Actors)..

Why..

Because as Paul says in Romans 7 the issue of sin goes to the heart.. He states the issue of being "covetous".. Which of course is transgressing God's Commandments..

The "flesh" is all about self.. the She' Ma states that we are to Love God and Others as ourself.. that Agape love which puts others needs before self.. The problem with sinful fallen Man, is that even when we do things for other people many or dare I say all the time it is with selfish or unpure motives.. not completely selfless as in the love that God commands us to love with..

Adam was a "Son of God" prior to the Fall.. He did not have the sinful nature.. We do have the sinful nature.. when presented with a choice to do right or wrong.. we might do what is deemed right but fallen sinful Man is under the power of sin to do what is wrong.. because sin brings pleasure ultimately in some fashion or the other.. even if it appeals to our fleshly Pride.

When someone is Born Again.. they have the new nature.. They have been delivered from the Power of Sin, but they must claim it by Faith resting in God's power to overcome the power of sin in their lives..

So no fallen man does not have the power to obey God's commands. That does not mean we will not be held accountable for our transgression to those commandments. Because God is Holy and requires Holiness to be with Him.. The Law demonstrates ultimately how sinful Man falls short of God's Glory and is in desperate need of a Savior in JESUS Christ.

A synonym for the flesh could be "self". We must be delivered from this power of sin by His Holy Spirit..

The gospel is ultimately an offense to Man because it makes nothing of Man and everything of Christ... But all things are working to glorify God in Christ for His good pleasure.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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Correct. Adam could obey and chose not to.

Many believe God saw the fall and did nothing and some believe he made the fall. In either case that denigrates God significantly as to love and power. Both are far different than seeing the potential and letting man make the choice.
Yes! A loving father would always want his children to be a free moral agency, which is what God wanted and needed Adam to be that He could "prove" him. This same procedure was carried over into the life of Jesus when He was "proven" in the wilderness. It is important to know that in both instances God had given the command and then removed the conscientious presence of Himself that the devil could "do his thing" and God could see what was in the hearts of both men that they would keep His command.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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The Word talks about the Power of Sin, one that fallen Mankind is enslaved to.. because fulfillment of sin appeals to our flesh.. our fallen nature.. even when one does good, evil is present with them (Romans 7 paraphrase).. generally it has a self serving motive of some fashion.
First off, evil isn't sin. God creates evil for His purposes. Sin, He never does __ and can't.

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So the question is.. Can an unregenerate Man obey God's Commands? ..The Pharisee's obeyed the external observance of the letter of the Law.. they thought by doing so they would be righteous before God.. They were wrong.. Christ repeatedly called them Hypocrites (ie Actors).. .
Abraham did and became the "father of faith" for all those that what??!! BELIEVE! I mention him just for starters.

You forget, Jesus didn't come to save the righteous? What made them righteous they didn't need to be saved, __ just redeemed?

Oh that's right. You don't believe that either.You are Romans 3:10 man a suppose.

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Old 02-15-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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First off, evil isn't sin. God creates evil for His purposes. Sin, He never does __ and can't.
If God is infinite goodness. If God is infinite love. If God's benevolence is infinite. If God is Holy? If God has infinite compassion. If God is sinless. Etc

Then, GOD cannot create evil.

Evil is imperfection and imperfection cannot be associated with God. Man is evil because man is imperfect. However, God is infinite perfection and therefore, God cannot create evil. In fact, if God creates evil then God is no different than Satan.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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If God is infinite goodness. If God is infinite love. If God's benevolence is infinite. If God is Holy? If God has infinite compassion. If God is sinless. Etc

Then, GOD cannot create evil.

But He said He does. Don't you know that part about Him?
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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Then, GOD cannot create evil.

Evil is imperfection and imperfection cannot be associated with God. Man is evil because man is imperfect. However, God is infinite perfection and therefore, God cannot create evil. In fact, if God creates evil then God is no different than Satan.

*7* I am he that prepared light, and formed darkness; who make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord God, that does all these things.

*6* Shall the trumpet sound in the city, and the people not be alarmed? shall there be evil in a city which the Lord has not wrought?
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