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What is clear from scriptures is that this false teaching has plagued believers for centuries.
1) The Jews were looking for earthly king to re-establish King David's throne
(A) Although the Old Testament never mentions a millennium, Jewish fables imagined a 400-year messianic kingdom based on an apocryphal reference (2 Esdras 7:28).
(B) King Herod was threaten by an earthly king concept of Christ, ...
....... thus the reason for the 2yr and younger male babies being killed
(C) Many Jews stopped following Jesus when it became apparent he wasn't going to be their earthly king John 6:25-71
(D) The charge before Pontius Pilot was that Jesus was proclaiming himself as a earthly king to which they boasted "“Wehavenokingbut Caesar,” John 19:15
2) the clear answer of Jesus: "My kingdom is NOT of this world"
As experts of the end times wrote:
Millennialism outright denies the church's hope of Christ's only return to judgment and those (who) as historically theologians describe such false teachers) as their attempt to " transport it
into the stratosphere of their own esoteric speculations" belong to the scoffers who, Peter warned, would come, "scoffing and following their own evil desires" (2 Peter 3:3)..
Why are they scoffers, because Jesus' own lips declare a singular return Matt. 25:31-46, John 5:28-29.
2 Peter 3:10 explains what Christ's return will be:
it does not have a millennial rule ... as scoffers claim otherwise
it does not have a multiple return .... as scoffers claim otherwise
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
His kingdom was not of this world when He spoke those words. Satan is the ruler of this world. Jesus's Kingdom will be on this world when He returns to bind Satan and establish God's Kingdom on Earth.
His kingdom was not of this world when He spoke those words. Satan is the ruler of this world. Jesus's Kingdom will be on this world when He returns to bind Satan andestablish God's Kingdom on Earth.
Only that Jesus and scriptures says otherwise.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
Matt. 25:31-46 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
John 5:28-29 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out— those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
What is clear from scriptures is that this false teaching has plagued believers for centuries.
1) The Jews were looking for earthly king to re-establish King David's throne
(A) Although the Old Testament never mentions a millennium, Jewish fables imagined a 400-year messianic kingdom based on an apocryphal reference (2 Esdras 7:28).
(B) King Herod was threaten by an earthly king concept of Christ, ...
....... thus the reason for the 2yr and younger male babies being killed
(C) Many Jews stopped following Jesus when it became apparent he wasn't going to be their earthly king John 6:25-71
(D) The charge before Pontius Pilot was that Jesus was proclaiming himself as a earthly king to which they boasted "“Wehavenokingbut Caesar,” John 19:15
2) the clear answer of Jesus: "My kingdom is NOT of this world"
As experts of the end times wrote:
Millennialism outright denies the church's hope of Christ's only return to judgment and those (who) as historically theologians describe such false teachers) as their attempt to " transport it
into the stratosphere of their own esoteric speculations" belong to the scoffers who, Peter warned, would come, "scoffing and following their own evil desires" (2 Peter 3:3)..
Why are they scoffers, because Jesus' own lips declare a singular return Matt. 25:31-46, John 5:28-29.
2 Peter 3:10 explains what Christ's return will be:
it does not have a millennial rule ... as scoffers claim otherwise
it does not have a multiple return .... as scoffers claim otherwise
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
ASV Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
BBE Revelation 20:2 And he took the dragon, the old snake, which is the Evil One and Satan, and put chains on him for a thousand years,3 And put him into the great deep, and it was shut and locked over him, so that he might put the nations in error no longer, till the thousand years were ended: after this he will be let loose for a little time.
The destruction of heaven and earth comes at the end of the millenium and the Great White Throne Judgment. After that, a new heaven and earth will be created and the New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven to Earth where God's Kingdom will last forever.
What is clear from scriptures is that this false teaching has plagued believers for centuries.
1) The Jews were looking for earthly king to re-establish King David's throne
(A) Although the Old Testament never mentions a millennium, Jewish fables imagined a 400-year messianic kingdom based on an apocryphal reference (2 Esdras 7:28).
(B) King Herod was threaten by an earthly king concept of Christ, ...
....... thus the reason for the 2yr and younger male babies being killed
(C) Many Jews stopped following Jesus when it became apparent he wasn't going to be their earthly king John 6:25-71
(D) The charge before Pontius Pilot was that Jesus was proclaiming himself as a earthly king to which they boasted "“Wehavenokingbut Caesar,” John 19:15
2) the clear answer of Jesus: "My kingdom is NOT of this world"
As experts of the end times wrote:
Millennialism outright denies the church's hope of Christ's only return to judgment and those (who) as historically theologians describe such false teachers) as their attempt to " transport it
into the stratosphere of their own esoteric speculations" belong to the scoffers who, Peter warned, would come, "scoffing and following their own evil desires" (2 Peter 3:3)..
Why are they scoffers, because Jesus' own lips declare a singular return Matt. 25:31-46, John 5:28-29.
2 Peter 3:10 explains what Christ's return will be:
it does not have a millennial rule ... as scoffers claim otherwise
it does not have a multiple return .... as scoffers claim otherwise
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
You state that historically, Millennialism has been considered a heresy and have ignored the fact that the dominant belief of the church for the first two centuries was premillennialism as you were shown on your other thread concerning this topic. - //www.city-data.com/forum/chris...out-being.html
The history of Millennialism is the topic of this site. The Millennium
Excerpt:
Some have claimed that belief in a literal "Millennium" is the product of twentieth century evangelical interpretation (especially widespread Dispensational teachings) but there is ample evidence that the literal view was espoused by many in the early church (the so-called "Early Church Fathers"), and that this view dominated for the first two centuries of the Christian era.
Geisler writes that
Millenarianism became the general belief of the time (the early church fathers) and met with almost no other opposition than that given by the Gnostics." (Geisler, Church History, vol.1, p.166)
John Walvoord gives a helpful synopsis of the history of the interpretation of the 1000 years noting that...
In the first two centuries of the Christian era the church was predominantly premillennial, interpreting Scripture to teach that Christ would fulfill the prophecy of His second coming and bring a thousand-year reign on earth before the eternal state will begin. Though not always cogent and sometimes fanciful, in general, prophecy was treated in the same way as other Scripture
ASV Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
BBE Revelation 20:2 And he took the dragon, the old snake, which is the Evil One and Satan, and put chains on him for a thousand years,3 And put him into the great deep, and it was shut and locked over him, so that he might put the nations in error no longer, till the thousand years were ended: after this he will be let loose for a little time.
That has been characterized by end times theologians as crass literalism of the OT that influences the NT.
Which is why Millennialists take the 1000 yr literal.
Since the angels told the disciples that this Jesus was going to return in the same manner as you seen him gone into heaven, that means Rev 4- 22 is apocalyptic and thing like the numbers have a symbolic understanding ... not literal.
There is no more a literal 1000 reign than
Jesus being a literal lamb
Jesus having a literal name on his thigh
Jesus having a literal double edged sword coming out of his mouth
Jesus having literal bronze glowing feet
literally only 144,000 from Israel that will be in heaven
literal horse locusts with teeth like lions’ teeth
two returns of the Lord
a secret rapture ( from some of the wacko's predictions)
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You state that historically, Millennialism has been considered a heresy and have ignored the fact that the dominant belief of the church for the first two centuries was premillennialism as you were shown on your other thread concerning this topic. - //www.city-data.com/forum/chris...out-being.html
No Mike I haven't ignored anything.
2 Peter 2 - 2 Peter 3 teaches who \ what Millennialism is:
2 Peter 2 ---- False Teachers and Their Destruction Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories.
2 Peter 3 ----- The Day of the Lord Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare
That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat
Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Peter 3 ... refutes Millennialism by itself.
As God says in 2 Peter 3, it's not by accident that Millenarians will also "distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
Yes, Millenarians do in fact "distort other scriptures". Their distortion will produce:
OSAS
the removal of the Means of Grace in the sacraments (nothing more than symbolic)
What is clear from scriptures is that this false teaching has plagued believers for centuries.
1) The Jews were looking for earthly king to re-establish King David's throne
(A) Although the Old Testament never mentions a millennium, Jewish fables imagined a 400-year messianic kingdom based on an apocryphal reference (2 Esdras 7:28).
(B) King Herod was threaten by an earthly king concept of Christ, ...
....... thus the reason for the 2yr and younger male babies being killed
(C) Many Jews stopped following Jesus when it became apparent he wasn't going to be their earthly king John 6:25-71
(D) The charge before Pontius Pilot was that Jesus was proclaiming himself as a earthly king to which they boasted "“Wehavenokingbut Caesar,” John 19:15
2) the clear answer of Jesus: "My kingdom is NOT of this world"
As experts of the end times wrote:
Millennialism outright denies the church's hope of Christ's only return to judgment and those (who) as historically theologians describe such false teachers) as their attempt to " transport it
into the stratosphere of their own esoteric speculations" belong to the scoffers who, Peter warned, would come, "scoffing and following their own evil desires" (2 Peter 3:3)..
Why are they scoffers, because Jesus' own lips declare a singular return Matt. 25:31-46, John 5:28-29.
2 Peter 3:10 explains what Christ's return will be:
it does not have a millennial rule ... as scoffers claim otherwise
it does not have a multiple return .... as scoffers claim otherwise
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
Using Scripture to support one's position is always a reasonable start but then making the statement, "As experts of the end times wrote" and going on to insert a quote without reference undermines the position. However, even if referenced, there are other "experts" including early Church Fathers who believed in the literal thousand year reign. Additionally, the proceeding article written by Francis X Gumerlock (PhD, Saint Louis University, Historical Theology) further presents a thoughtful historical summary of the debate between proponents and opponents of millennialism. Of interest the article indicates that some writers assert early Church councils condemned the idea of millennialism as heretical yet do not provide support for such an assertion and closer examination of early Church council proceedings do not support careless use of the term heretical.
I believe the Bible does in fact teach God's Kingdom with Christ as King will be ruling over the earth for 1000 years.
Is 2 Peter 3:10 literal? I apologize if that is not your position (it's late) but if it is...that means all the heavens including the stars , planets, etc will be burned in fire. If that is the case then I suppose our sun and stars which are already on fire will be burned even more? Does that make sense? And the other Scriptures in the Bible we can disregard. Does that make sense as well?
Like...
Matthew 6:10, "Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth." What's the point if the earth is to be laid bare and the heavens are to be destroyed and the elements will melt in the heat.
Psalm 37:29, " The righteous will possess the earth,And they will live forever on it." I guess they wont if the heavens are to be destroyed the elements sizzle and pop and melt away and the earth is to be laid bare
Psalm 104:5, "He has established the earth on its foundations;It will not be moved from its place forever and ever." So the heavens are to be destroyed elements sizzle and pop and the earth will be laid bare but God firmly established the earth and it will not be moved from its place forever and ever (or until men come along and interpret otherwise).
Proverbs 2: 21, 22, "For only the upright will reside in the earth,And the blameless will remain in it. As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth,And the treacherous will be torn away from it."
Why would the blameless REMAIN on an earth laid bare. Why would the treacherous be TORN AWAY from it?
If the Bible is inspired of God then it follows there would be harmony from beginning to end. If Scriptures appear to us to contradict each other then a careful reexamination of our beliefs and understanding is warranted. Could it be that the heavens and earth referred to in 2 Peter 3:10 are representative for something other than the literal heavens and the literal earth? hmmm....
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Twin SpinSince the angels told the disciples that this Jesus was going to return in the same manner as you seen him gone into heaven, that means Rev 4- 22 is apocalyptic and thing like the numbers have a symbolic understanding ... not literal.
Incorrect. Whether the numbers are literal or symbolic depends on the setting...
Revelation 21:14, "The wall of the city also had 12 foundation stones, and on them were the 12 names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb.
Many deniers and critics of God will come and go but Jesus is still the Messiah for the earth , and is sovereign , so when Apostasy may come , Jesus will return to bring renewal for His church and His plans This is a spiritual law , Jesus was born in the earth during a time of Apostasy , and he has come many times to His Children during time of distress to restart His church and restart the harvest of souls , and Jesus will come back to bring renewal , even during any dark days of the spirit of antichrist attempt to destroy the earth and Jesus church
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