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There have been some on this board who believe the "eons" are just made up, that they aren't in the Bible.
It is interesting to note that the Hebrew word for "age" or "eon" is "Olam." How do I know "Olam" and "eon" are the same? Because the Hebrew translators who translated the Hebrew Old Testament into the Greek language translated "Olam" in its noun form as "AIWN" (eon) and in its adjectival form as "AIWNION" (eonian).
Throughout the New Testament the writers used the same words "AIWN" (eon) and "AIWNION" (eonian).
Some translations sometimes translated, or rather interpreted AIWN to be "world" or "ever" or "for ever" and with the negative "never" but often in the margin of some KJV bibles they have "age" for the word.
God is called "the eonian God" in Romans 16:26. This tells us His relationship to the eons, not how long He lives. He is over the eons, directing each eon to the goal He has. When the eons end He will no longer be the eonian God for there will no longer be eons Him to be directing. He will then be God "All in all."
The first eon in the chart above to the left took place from Genesis 1:1 to 1:2. Then the earth went through a great disruption. The earth became chaos and vacant.
The second eon began with Genesis 1:2 when God made the earth habitable again. It ended with the world-wide flood in Noah's day.
The third eon is called the present wicked eon in Galatians 1:4. It will end with a world-wide earthquake in which all the cities of the nations will fall.
The fourth eon is the Millennial reign of Christ on earth. It will end with a world-wide conflagration.
The fifth eon is called The New Earth and probably will last as long as the first eon. The second eon and fourth eon are of the approximate same duration of 1000 years.
The judgement of Matthew 25:31-46 culminates with nations going into "eonian chastening" which is the chastening for that specific millennial eon.
The lake of fire called the second death (it is death) is only for "the eons of the eons" or as the KJV says "for ever and ever." But that can't be eternal. If the KJV translated it correctly it would be "for the evers of the evers." There are only two "evers" to go after this current "ever" we are now in ends. The Bible says all the evers (eons) end. Therefore the evers or eons can't be eternal.
There have been some on this board who believe the "eons" are just made up, that they aren't in the Bible.
It is interesting to note that the Hebrew word for "age" or "eon" is "Olam." How do I know "Olam" and "eon" are the same? Because the Hebrew translators who translated the Hebrew Old Testament into the Greek language translated "Olam" in its noun form as "AIWN" (eon) and in its adjectival form as "AIWNION" (eonian).
Throughout the New Testament the writers used the same words "AIWN" (eon) and "AIWNION" (eonian).
Some translations sometimes translated, or rather interpreted AIWN to be "world" or "ever" or "for ever" and with the negative "never" but often in the margin of some KJV bibles they have "age" for the word.
God is called "the eonian God" in Romans 16:26. This tells us His relationship to the eons, not how long He lives. He is over the eons, directing each eon to the goal He has. When the eons end He will no longer be the eonian God for there will no longer be eons Him to be directing. He will then be God "All in all."
The first eon in the chart above to the left took place from Genesis 1:1 to 1:2. Then the earth went through a great disruption. The earth became chaos and vacant.
The second eon began with Genesis 1:2 when God made the earth habitable again. It ended with the world-wide flood in Noah's day.
The third eon is called the present wicked eon in Galatians 1:4. It will end with a world-wide earthquake in which all the cities of the nations will fall.
The fourth eon is the Millennial reign of Christ on earth. It will end with a world-wide conflagration.
The fifth eon is called The New Earth and probably will last as long as the first eon. The second eon and fourth eon are of the approximate same duration of 1000 years.
The judgement of Matthew 25:31-46 culminates with nations going into "eonian chastening" which is the chastening for that specific millennial eon.
The lake of fire called the second death (it is death) is only for "the eons of the eons" or as the KJV says "for ever and ever." But that can't be eternal. If the KJV translated it correctly it would be "for the evers of the evers." There are only two "evers" to go after this current "ever" we are now in ends. The Bible says all the evers (eons) end. Therefore the evers or eons can't be eternal.
Greeting, I read your post with interest. especially on the "The fourth eon is the Millennial reign of Christ on earth. It will end with a world-wide conflagration". just a question, are you using "eon", or age as a dispensation, or an age within a dispensation?. just asking.
So we are entering the "millennial" age at this time, as you see it? According to the chart, the thousand years includes the judgment of the nations. But shows another judgement to come after that. I have no dogmatic sense of certainty about the meaning of the 1000 years (millennial Kingdom Age). It would be satisfying to see true justice on the earth since we see so little of it currently.
The lake of fire called the second death (it is death) is only for "the eons of the eons" or as the KJV says "for ever and ever." But that can't be eternal. If the KJV translated it correctly it would be "for the evers of the evers." There are only two "evers" to go after this current "ever" we are now in ends. The Bible says all the evers (eons) end. Therefore the evers or eons can't be eternal.
Therefore, there is no eternal life, right?
John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
If there is no "eternal", there is no security in God - that makes God a big liar.
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The second eon and fourth eon are of the approximate same duration of 1000 years.
FYI - 1656 years from Adam to the Flood - a.k.a your second "eon"
Greeting, I read your post with interest. especially on the "The fourth eon is the Millennial reign of Christ on earth. It will end with a world-wide conflagration". just a question, are you using "eon", or age as a dispensation, or an age within a dispensation?. just asking.
be blessed.
Hello 101c, there are "administrations" and "dispensations" in the New Testament. The eons have both of these going on.
An eon can be thought of as an age and its adjectival form "eonian" is pertaining to the age or pertaining to the ages as the case may be.
The disciples asked Jesus: Mat 24:3 Now at His sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what is the sign of Thy presenceand of the conclusion of the eon? Each eon ends, so the eons can't be eternal. If an age were eternal that would be a contradiction in terms. That would be like saying "an eternal mile."
In the next eon, the millennial eon, Christ will have an administration of the law and the disciples will dispense to the nations what comes out of Christ's kingdom administration.
So we are entering the "millennial" age at this time, as you see it? According to the chart, the thousand years includes the judgment of the nations. But shows another judgement to come after that. I have no dogmatic sense of certainty about the meaning of the 1000 years (millennial Kingdom Age). It would be satisfying to see true justice on the earth since we see so little of it currently.
Hi Heartsong, the Millennial eon/age only comes after the great world-wide earthquake in which the cities of the nations fall. Basically Christ will come back to a wrecked earth. But it is nice to know that He will come back right when the world will need Him the most to help out.
As Christ is setting up His Millennial kingdom in Israel, judgment will begin at the House of God in Jerusalem and spread out from there. Christ and His messengers are going to kick out of Israel all causing snares and doing lawlessness:
Mat_13:41 The Son of Mankind shall be dispatching His messengers, and they shall be culling out of His kingdom all the snares and those doing lawlessness,
Then He will turn His attention to the nations and judge them as to how they treated His brethren during the great tribulation of His Jewish brethren in Matthew 25:31-46.
The ones kicked out of Israel in Matthew 13:41 will have to live with the goat nations and be under duress for the duration of that Millennial eon.
John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jesus never promised the Jews "eternal" life. He promised them "eonian life" which is life for the duration of the coming millennial eon.
The believers of the nations however get "eonian life" AND also get immortality and incorruption (1 Corinthians 15:54). So, when the eons end, eonian life will end but we continue living because we will have immortality.
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If there is no "eternal", there is no security in God - that makes God a big liar.
No, not quite. Having eonian life, or life pertaining to the oncoming eons is security. And having immortality when the eons end surely is security thus making God truthful.
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FYI - 1656 years from Adam to the Flood - a.k.a your second "eon"
It is helpful to note that if "for ever" means "eternity," what does "for ever and ever" mean? How would one "eternity" end and another "eternity" take its place?
It makes much more sense to follow the Greek grammar as to
eis tous aionas ton aionon
for the eons of the eons
"aionas" and "aionon" are both plural.
They are also genitive. An example of the genitive is: Son of God or "God's Son." It shows possession.
The eons OF the eons tells us there will be two of the greatest eons (millennial and new earth) to come out of all the eons which went before.
An excellent example of this is the tabernacle. There are the "holies of the holies" or the last two places in the tabernacle the high priest would enter into.
Here is an example:
All punishment occurs within the eons. Punishment does not go on for eternity.
Jesus never promised the Jews "eternal" life. He promised them "eonian life" which is life for the duration of the coming millennial eon.
What does Jesus Christ say that eternal life is?
Eternal life is knowing God and Jesus Christ. That's what He said. Once a person knows God and Jesus Christ - at what point does that ever cease?
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It is helpful to note that if "for ever" means "eternity," what does "for ever and ever" mean? How would one "eternity" end and another "eternity" take its place?
Strawman argument. You are saying that eternity ends. The Bible does not say that. You persist in changing the meaning of words to meet your desired outcome.
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All punishment occurs within the eons. Punishment does not go on for eternity.
I don't agree, but it's not up to me or you. I will worship God either way. You?
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