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Most likely heaven or purgatory then heaven, yes. The degree of transgression depends
on the nature of her "racism". Do not forget, many Old Testament icons were
"racists", and even some Apostles made "racist" assumptions. These were
corrected and proven wrong, of course, both of them, however there is a
difference between hatred and misunderstanding, also between pride and
confusion.
Most likely heaven or purgatory then heaven, yes. The degree of transgression depends
on the nature of her "racism". Do not forget, many Old Testament icons were
"racists", and even some Apostles made "racist" assumptions. These were
corrected and proven wrong, of course, both of them, however there is a
difference between hatred and misunderstanding, also between pride and
confusion.
She died suddenly yesterday. She never liked minorities and was racist. Otherwise, very Christian and with the Lord at all times.
Is she going to heaven?
Are there racist Christians in heaven?
Well, if she never liked minorities & was racist, How did she come to accept Jesus (I assume) as her personal savior? He was/is/will be Jewish, the entire Old Testament is simply Torah lifted, & Jesus is the Messiah in the Jewish tradition (not that mainstream Judaism accepts Jesus as God - that's a different story).
Christianity has had this love/hate relationship going with Judaism for the last 1500 years or so. That's the central conundrum of what you're asking - Is it possible to parse Jehovah & Jesus (& the Holy Spirit, I suppose) from the Old Testament, rip Jesus out of Jewish religion/culture in Palestine at that time, reject Jews in general, & still be a good Christ(ian)? I don't see how that's possible, myself.
If racism is an unreasoning hate of the Other - some other culture, language, religion & so on - then it seems to me that at heart it's a question of an overweening self-pride, or something similar. That kind of egotism is a definite barrier to being a good person - witness the Japanese military blundering into Korea, China, Manchuria, & eventually WWII; or the NAZI Holocaust in Europe; the genocide against the Armenians; the Stalins, Pol Pots, and on and on.
What happened to "Christians aren't perfect. Just forgiven."?
Gluttony is a sin. Churches are full of people who need to say "No" to that second helping of pulled pork and potato salad. I'm guessing no one stands at their coffin saying, "Poor guy. He was a good and faithful Christian but, dang, he was fat. God's going to turn him away."
What happened to "Christians aren't perfect. Just forgiven."?
Gluttony is a sin. Churches are full of people who need to say "No" to that second helping of pulled pork and potato salad. I'm guessing no one stands at their coffin saying, "Poor guy. He was a good and faithful Christian but, dang, he was fat. God's going to turn him away."
I am not talking about being perfect. I am talking about Christians that were saved by Jesus a long time ago but are technically sinning. Do people that are saved go to heaven despite sinning after receiving salvation?
I think it would be weird to have racists walking with the Lord.
I am not talking about being perfect. I am talking about Christians that were saved by Jesus a long time ago but are technically sinning. Do people that are saved go to heaven despite sinning after receiving salvation?
I think it would be weird to have racists walking with the Lord.
Let God decide. There is no such thing as perfect Christian. Christ promised everyone who believes in Him will have everlasting life. Period.
Let God decide. There is no such thing as perfect Christian. Christ promised everyone who believes in Him will have everlasting life. Period.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:e ek:
That goes against against the doctrine of salvation by accepting Jesus as the savior.
I am not talking about someone that willingly turns away from God. I am simply talking about Christians that are sinners.
Foe example: Lets assume Jimmy Swaggert never got got seeing prostitutes and doing fornication and adultery. He had being saved by Jesus before all this. Would he go straight to heaven?
We all know Swaggert got caught and repented. But, lets assume he was never got and he got away with it.
That goes against against the doctrine of salvation by accepting Jesus as the savior.
Not at all. Read John 3:16. When I talk about believers, I am talking about saved people.
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I am not talking about someone that willingly turns away from God. I am simply talking about Christians that are sinners.
Foe example: Lets assume Jimmy Swaggert never got got seeing prostitutes and doing fornication and adultery. He had being saved by Jesus before all this. Would he go straight to heaven?
We all know Swaggert got caught and repented. But, lets assume he was never got and he got away with it.
All Christians are sinners. There are no detours to heaven, so you either go straight there, or you don't go at all.
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Doesn't seem possible
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