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Old 06-06-2014, 08:32 PM
 
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First off, I do believe God created in the manner described in the Bible.
However, like Pastor Al, I don't think it would be taught correctly by anyone but a Christian teacher, and again, there are too many differing theories among Christians.
What I would advocate for is a requirement for the science teachers to include the many faults of the molecules to man Macro Evolutionary theory. In some schools the teachers aren't allowed to question the theory, or at least, not allowed to help their students think critically about it.
It would also be nice if the distinction between observational and historical science were to be made clear.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Maine
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“... even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons... and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for a non-believer to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics.” (St. Augustine, On the Literal Interpretation of Genesis)

Dear fellow Christians, Genesis is not a science book. Quit trying to make it one.

The point of Genesis is theological, not scientific, and public schools shouldn't be teaching theology in science class.

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Old 06-06-2014, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I could give you some reference sites and books but I don't have the time to lecture you on science on a forum.
Ha!

You pwn yourself.

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Old 06-06-2014, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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That's a rather emotional based view point. There is scientific data and positions to be considered unless you are of a religion that prevents you from doing so. I suspect you are using less scientific reasons than emotional (religious) reasons in your statement. You obviously reject out of hand, or do not have the level of education to know they exist, an entire body of work based on your faulty claim above.
The above is example of graduation from the tower of Babel.

You used a lot of words to say nothing.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:48 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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First off, I do believe God created in the manner described in the Bible.
However, like Pastor Al, I don't think it would be taught correctly by anyone but a Christian teacher, and again, there are too many differing theories among Christians.
What I would advocate for is a requirement for the science teachers to include the many faults of the molecules to man Macro Evolutionary theory. In some schools the teachers aren't allowed to question the theory, or at least, not allowed to help their students think critically about it.
It would also be nice if the distinction between observational and historical science were to be made clear.




Sorry, there is no such thing as "historical science" except as invented by Creationists.

It certainly is not a term associated with any thing to do with real science.

Once again, do some of you people know how much your ignorance (as in not knowing) is embarrassing you?
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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No, I don't think creationism should be taught in school as it is a religious subject and should be learned at home if the parents desire them to know about the creator.
Creation is based on faith, belief and the teachings found in the bible and other religion books and therefore has no place in public schools.
Amen, Miss Blue. I just wish the science curricula would be more objective and honest about God belief. There is no conflict between belief in God and science . . . but sometimes the way science is taught gives the impression there is.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Once again, do some of you people know how much your ignorance (as in not knowing) is embarrassing you?
Sadly, ignorance is exactly the state Christian fundamentalist ministers want to keep their congregations in. It is why their adherents feel so insular and are only truly comfortable in each others' company. It's why so many of them home-school, so their kids' exposure to truth and reality comes late, if ever.
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Old 06-06-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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No. At this moment science is being taught in China and India and Germany and in places where people want their children to succeed. Those kids are the ones who will grow up and succeed in a very competitive world. American children will be competing for jobs with the kids who learned actual science in distant countries.

If people want their children to be taught creationism they can home school their kids or send them to private school. They can even teach their kids things the old-fashioned way: at the family dinner table. (When you do it gathered around the dinner table it's called supplemental education. If you want your kids to learn it....... go for it. You can also teach them Adam named all the dinosaurs. That's the beauty of living in America. We get to do what we want with our free time.)

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Old 06-06-2014, 09:13 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Sadly, ignorance is exactly the state Christian fundamentalist ministers want to keep their congregations in. It is why their adherents feel so insular and are only truly comfortable in each others' company. It's why so many of them home-school, so their kids' exposure to truth and reality comes late, if ever.
Home schooling a christian must be a good thing,

From CBC news:

Justin Bourque: Latest revelations about man charged in Moncton shooting - New Brunswick - CBC News
Friends of Bourque and friends of his family described him to CBC News as having been a sweet-natured, polite young boy who grew up in a religious family, attending church and being home-schooled.
Wonder how that homeschooling helped? Or that churching?
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Old 06-06-2014, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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It should most definitely be mentioned. Evolution is a widely-accepted theory, but it IS still a theory. Darwin, Darwinism and evolution should be studied thoroughly, and that's not possible without mentioning creationism and the sizable number of people who still believe in it.

When I was in public school 50 years ago, that's how it was taught. "The vast majority of scientists accept the theory of evolution; others believe in creationism as described in the bible. In this class we will study the theory of evolution. You are not required to believe in it, but you must learn it." Or something to that effect.
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