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Old 06-06-2014, 03:53 PM
 
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Should Creationism be included in Science classes at Public school? I, for one, say yes. So far, its exclusion is due to, of course, the law which dictates separation of church and state. But I believe that the tide has changed in that, at this point, Creationists have amassed a considerable amount of scientific evidence. After all, since Evolution is included in Public schools, so why not Creationism? Maybe, back in the day, many decades ago, Creationism was considered religion. But currently, due to amassing so much scientific evidence, Creationism can be convincingly seen as Science. Seen in that light, efforts should be made to implement its inclusion in the curriculum.
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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No. The 'evidence' amassed by creationists is about as scientific as that of mood rings and tarot cards.

Here's the thing. Creationism isn't even a tenet of Christianity. It is a tenet of one movement within Christianity.
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:40 PM
 
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I'm going to be the odd man out on this probably and say no. For one thing there is no consensus among Christians. You have the young earthe'rs, GAP'ers, day ager's, neo's, theistic evolutionists, intelligent designers, and progressive creationists to name a few. How do you decide who's view to teach?

Then you have other religions with their views.

Finally, I would not count on our public schools to get it right.

I appreciate what you're saying though, I really do.
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:43 PM
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Absolutely not.

Creationism is a lot of things but none of them are related to Science.
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:44 PM
 
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Evolution is is just the continuation of his Creation. did not God say, Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so”. and, Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven”.

Evolution is just God in nature. this of course is my opinion. .
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:58 PM
 
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Creationism fails to qualify as science in all four epistemological senses: 1.) It's untestable, 2.) It's unfalsifiable, 3.) It makes no predictions, and 4.) It has no practical application.

Even if creationism is 100% true, (it has been debunked at literally every turn), it fails in not just one sense, or two senses, but in every sense.

At the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School board trial, conservative Christian judge, John Jones, described the ID creationist movement as "at best disingenuous, and at worst, a canard."

You don't see creationists working as doctors for the same reason you don't see psychics winning the lottery.
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Old 06-06-2014, 05:04 PM
 
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Creationism is basically a religious claim that provides the who behind the event. I think a more relevant question would be "should young earth scientific theory be taught along side the current old earth theory that is being taught"? I would say yes to this question. It is a logical scientific approach that is supported by evidence observed in nature. It is another way to interpret what is observed.
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Old 06-06-2014, 05:16 PM
 
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Should Creationism be included in Science classes at Public school? I, for one, say yes. So far, its exclusion is due to, of course, the law which dictates separation of church and state. But I believe that the tide has changed in that, at this point, Creationists have amassed a considerable amount of scientific evidence. After all, since Evolution is included in Public schools, so why not Creationism? Maybe, back in the day, many decades ago, Creationism was considered religion. But currently, due to amassing so much scientific evidence, Creationism can be convincingly seen as Science. Seen in that light, efforts should be made to implement its inclusion in the curriculum.
No, it should not.

Pretty much everything you said above is false. Creationists have not amassed any credible scientific evidence whatsoever that support their claims. Every bit of "evidence" creationists have ever presented has been completely and utterly debunked by real scientists.

Unfortunately, that seems to make no difference to creationists. They just keep putting forward the same discredited "evidence" anyway, as if no one had responded to them. Creationists are intellectually dishonest and creationism a scientific fraud.
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Old 06-06-2014, 05:21 PM
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Creationism is basically a religious claim that provides the who behind the event. I think a more relevant question would be "should young earth scientific theory be taught along side the current old earth theory that is being taught"? I would say yes to this question. It is a logical scientific approach that is supported by evidence observed in nature. It is another way to interpret what is observed.
Please detail the science behind a young earth theory.
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Old 06-06-2014, 05:40 PM
 
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Creationism is basically a religious claim that provides the who behind the event. I think a more relevant question would be "should young earth scientific theory be taught along side the current old earth theory that is being taught"? I would say yes to this question. It is a logical scientific approach that is supported by evidence observed in nature. It is another way to interpret what is observed.
This is a conversation stopper; it's the equivalent of saying that there's strong evidentiary support for the idea that Elvis lives. Earth's 4.5-billion-year age is so conclusively demonstrated, by so many independent lines of inquiry, that anyone who even entertains the idea of a 6,000-year-old universe is either scientifically illiterate or a charlatan. There is no third option.

If you think there stands any reasonable chance of the Earth being a few thousand years old, you've left the realm of rational skepticism and entered in to an abject intellectual coma.

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