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Jesus said ; "No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the son of man."
If this is so then why did He say this; Luke 13:28" There will be wailing and grinding of the teeth when you see Abraham,Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and you yourselves cast out."
This shows that all the prophets are son of man.
By these two verses do you agree that the son of man is the servant and prophet of God?
Last edited by Peacegiver; 07-04-2014 at 10:48 PM..
That's because the kingdom of God comes down to the new earth (rev 21). At the time, Jesus spoke that, no one had ascended to heaven because the righteous dead where in Abraham's bosom or Paradise as the thief on the cross called it. (Luke16). Until sin was paid for, man could not have ascended to a holy heaven because he was too sinful. Once Jesus had paid for sin by his death, those who had their sins forgiven could enter into heaven. When Jesus was dead, he went to Paradise and led the captives free (Eph 4, Psalm 68, 1 peter 3:19 on).
The Lord's prayer says, Thy kingdom come, not we go to the kingdom. The Kingdom of God is not the same thing as heaven. One is a kingdom that Jesus reigns and rules over (on the new earth), the other is where He is right now until that Kingdom comes.
So, this doesn't prove Abraham etc ascended to heaven before Christ spoke that. So it can't mean all prophets are "son of man". If you are referring to Jesus, being only a mere prophet and servant, this does nothing for that case. Jesus is God.
Yes there is a time line which before Jesus was glorified the only people heaven bound where God promises salvation for people the Lord collected and keep in Abraham bosom which was a heavenly place separate from heaven before the cross of Christ , which Jesus was to judge and bring these people into heaven and then this Abraham boson was dissolved ......
Jesus said ; "No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the son of man."
If this is so then why did He say this; Luke 13:28" There will be wailing and grinding of the teeth when you see Abraham,Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and you yourselves cast out."
This shows that all the prophets are son of man.
By these two verses do you agree that the son of man is the servant and prophet of God?
When the kingdom of God has taken control of all creation---no matter where one is standing they will be in Gods kingdom--on earth, on the moon, or in heaven.
Oh come on. If there was a God would he allow the babies and child suffering? Of course not.
Issues were raised against Gods universal sovereignty in the garden of Eden--They have to be settled once and for all time so they never can occur again. Rebel mortals chose this satan ruled system. God doesn't want it. And his soon to be coming kingdom will put a end to all wicked things.
Yes there is a time line which before Jesus was glorified the only people heaven bound where God promises salvation for people the Lord collected and keep in Abraham bosom which was a heavenly place separate from heaven before the cross of Christ , which Jesus was to judge and bring these people into heaven and then this Abraham boson was dissolved ......
Before Yeshua/Jesus, Enoch was taken to heaven. The scripture says that he was taken nothing about death. When Yeshua, cried out on the cross It Is Finished graves split open saints of old were raised,(Matt.27:50-53) when he ascended to the Father He took the First Fruits with Him. Servant and the Prophet, that we must listen to.
Last edited by standingdeer; 07-05-2014 at 08:52 AM..
Jesus said ; "No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the son of man."
If this is so then why did He say this; Luke 13:28" There will be wailing and grinding of the teeth when you see Abraham,Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and you yourselves cast out."
This shows that all the prophets are son of man.
By these two verses do you agree that the son of man is the servant and prophet of God?
Not sure I understand what it is your question is asking. In one sentence you say, all the prophets are son of manthen you say the son of man is the servant and prophet of God. Are you suggesting and tying to tie it together with these 2 verses that all the prophets are the son(s) of man? In Judaism "son of man" refers to "normal" men, in Christianity to Jesus.
Oh come on. If there was a God would he allow the babies and child suffering? Of course not.
The question of suffering only works for atheists.
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