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Old 07-28-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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As the "good seed" (1 Peter 1:23) is the "Word of God", and is found in portions of the NT, in the form of the testimony of Yeshua (Rev 19:10). Where is the bad seed, sown by the "devil" (Mt 13:39), the seed of tares found? Since they are mixed together, so that one cannot be pulled without uprooting the other, (Mt 13:29), where is the location of this mixture, and why is it that it is all right at the "end of the age" to go ahead and pull the tares, which are aligned with Stumbling Blocks & Lawlessness? (Mt 13:41) Won't the wheat be disturbed at that time also? (Mt 13:30)
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Old 07-28-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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Some members within a church may not be saved and are planted in a church family by the devil to cause discourse (tares). There are also saved members within the church family who are saved (wheat) and flourish off of the word of God.

The pastors, teachers and leaders within the church family's responsibility is to feed 'all' the members the word of God. (Matthew 13:30 Let them grow together) This includes both the tares and the wheat. Its not their job to separate out the wheat from the tares because it would cause discourse within the body and people may walk away from their faith if there is a lot of tension or discourse within the church body. They would lose the wheat with the tares.

The good and bad seeds are found in the hearts of individuals and the division of the two (wheat from tares) comes after the church age when God separates the two (the harvest), and when he does it, it will be clean and perfect.
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Old 07-28-2014, 05:41 PM
 
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As the "good seed" (1 Peter 1:23) is the "Word of God", and is found in portions of the NT, in the form of the testimony of Yeshua (Rev 19:10). Where is the bad seed, sown by the "devil" (Mt 13:39), the seed of tares found? Since they are mixed together, so that one cannot be pulled without uprooting the other, (Mt 13:29), where is the location of this mixture, and why is it that it is all right at the "end of the age" to go ahead and pull the tares, which are aligned with Stumbling Blocks & Lawlessness? (Mt 13:41) Won't the wheat be disturbed at that time also? (Mt 13:30)
Tares are an interesting weed. They really aren't all that different from the young wheat, though they can be discerned to the trained eye, and it is pulling the young plant that disturbs the growing wheat nearby. When they have matured and their "fruit" is very visibly different, and the roots of the wheat are well established, the tares can be pulled without harm.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:17 PM
 
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As the "good seed" (1 Peter 1:23) is the "Word of God", and is found in portions of the NT, in the form of the testimony of Yeshua (Rev 19:10). Where is the bad seed, sown by the "devil" (Mt 13:39), the seed of tares found? Since they are mixed together, so that one cannot be pulled without uprooting the other, (Mt 13:29), where is the location of this mixture, and why is it that it is all right at the "end of the age" to go ahead and pull the tares, which are aligned with Stumbling Blocks & Lawlessness? (Mt 13:41) Won't the wheat be disturbed at that time also? (Mt 13:30)
The good seed is indeed the word of God(not bible verses), our words too are seeds

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

For by thy words(seeds) thou shalt be justified, and by thy words(seeds)thou shalt be condemned

Those 2 verses are saying the same thing

Here is proof too that when our words are death we are speaking as the devil . The location of these seeds are within the heart, that are there purely because we have opened the doors of our heart to them.

Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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The good seed is indeed the word of God(not bible verses), our words too are seeds

Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

For by thy words(seeds) thou shalt be justified, and by thy words(seeds)thou shalt be condemned

Those 2 verses are saying the same thing

Here is proof too that when our words are death we are speaking as the devil . The location of these seeds are within the heart, that are there purely because we have opened the doors of our heart to them.

Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.
Dear pcamps,
If the bad seed is sown by the devil (Mt 13:39), where does one find this seed which is mixed with that sown by the son of man (Mt 13:19)?

If bible verses are not the "Word of God", if I understand your point, where do you find the seeds of the son of man, and the seeds of the devil? And how do you discern the two?
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:12 PM
 
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Some of those "seeds" must be granted to have been incorporated in biblical canon, as there are remnants of every major early church controversy present there, but the primary source is interpretation of what is there not being in accord with the Spirit Jesus actually promised according to the book that so many venerate. Not only doctrine, but "scripture" should be examined in the light of the fruit that comes from it.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:10 AM
 
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Dear pcamps,
If the bad seed is sown by the devil (Mt 13:39), where does one find this seed which is mixed with that sown by the son of man (Mt 13:19)?

If bible verses are not the "Word of God", if I understand your point, where do you find the seeds of the son of man, and the seeds of the devil? And how do you discern the two?
Where does he find this seed?, wherever his thoughts took him and caused him to conceive what he was beholding. You can always tell where some one has been by just listening to them.

.....A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.



How do you discern the two?, one is life and one is death. Are we that dead we cannot realize whether the words we speak are wholesome or not ?.
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:54 AM
 
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As the "good seed" (1 Peter 1:23) is the "Word of God", and is found in portions of the NT, in the form of the testimony of Yeshua (Rev 19:10). Where is the bad seed, sown by the "devil" (Mt 13:39), the seed of tares found? Since they are mixed together, so that one cannot be pulled without uprooting the other, (Mt 13:29), where is the location of this mixture, and why is it that it is all right at the "end of the age" to go ahead and pull the tares, which are aligned with Stumbling Blocks & Lawlessness? (Mt 13:41) Won't the wheat be disturbed at that time also? (Mt 13:30)
A good example can be seen on this very forum. You see people sharing the "Good Seed" and others claiming it is not the "Word of God" and must be filtered through what they think or the spirits that control them.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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Where does he find this seed?, wherever his thoughts took him and caused him to conceive what he was beholding. You can always tell where some one has been by just listening to them.

.....A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him.


How do you discern the two?, one is life and one is death. Are we that dead we cannot realize whether the words we speak are wholesome or not ?.
Dear pcamps,
The "evil man" would represent the tares, grown from the bad seed cast by the devil. My question is where to you find the seed cast by the devil? (Mt 13:39)

According to Yeshua the Spirit gives life (John 6:63). The "Words" alone can either result in success or failure (Mt 13:19-21). How does one determine the good from the bad?

An example would be that in Mt 13:19, the good seed was described as "the word of the kingdom", whereas the bad seed was described in Mt 13:41 as pertaining to Lawlessness". What is your criteria for determining good seed from bad seed? Your answer was a little vague to anyone who cannot determine good from bad (Is 5:20). It is "my people" that must come out of "her", or suffer "her plagues" (Rev 18:4). How are "my people", the people of God, to recognize they are in the wrong place and to come out of her? How are the "elect" to figure out they are being "mislead" by "false prophets"? (Mt 24:24)

Is 5:20," Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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A good example can be seen on this very forum. You see people sharing the "Good Seed" and others claiming it is not the "Word of God" and must be filtered through what they think or the spirits that control them.
Dear Grace,
As Yeshua taught that the good seed would be mixed with the bad seed (Mt 13), and that there would be "false prophets" who come in my name (Mt 7:22). How do you discern the good from the bad? For false prophets are those who come as wolves in sheep's clothing, and their words are taken as those of God. They work miracles, cast out demons, and practice LAWLESSNESS (Mt 7:22-23). How do you determine whether they are speaking for God or the devil, since Yeshua told them "I never knew you", and the majority follow them down the road to destruction. (Mt 7:13)
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