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Love does conquer all, but it does not raise a child to be a man.
Salvation is salvation and reward is reward, and the two are vastly different, salvation does not get you in the first resurrection, a virgin giving birth to a full grown man gets you first resurrection, and those who obtain the reward of first resurrection have no fear of the second death.
1 Corinthians 3
Christ the Only Foundation
…Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man's work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man's work. If any man's work which he has built on it remains, HE WILL RECIEVE A REWARD.
The many are saved, but their work will be burned and they will die and be saved, but the person who builds on a sure foundation doesn't lose his work, he receives REWARD, not salvation.
The difference between salvation and resurrection is shown in my places, it is the lawless who believe in Jesus but do not know him, they do not know him because they do not know the law, and Jesus IS the law.
Many sons of the kingdom will be escorted out of the upper region of the kingdom of heaven and kicked out, they are saved but they do not enjoy first resurrection with Abraham, Issach and Jacob.
Again, many will come to sit down at the marriage banquet and the girl at the door will come and take them by the hand to lead them out of the kingdom.
Again, the virgins will be gathered to see exactly who will be able to enter into the marriage chamber to consummate the marriage, but at least half of the believers in Christ will be turned away and the righteous virgins will tell them where to buy oil.
But it will be too late for those.
When people learned the truth in the first church, they went out very ambitious to obtain a better resurrection because all people will not be counted the same, and is God some Lowlife that does not love justice?
God forbid that justice will not be justice when God has judged, should God judge all believers the same?
Should he look at one Christian who has never kept his law, and taught others not to keep his laws as he treats a person who has kept his commandments and taught others the ways of righteousness?
God forbid, and Jesus tells us exactly the same.
There is a least in the kingdom and there is the greatest in the kingdom, if this were not so, then Jesus would not have talked of it in so many places.
The little flock( Luke 12:32)( 144,000) are part of the first resurrection. Only these are bought from the earth by the blood of Jesus-Rev 14:3)-- this is his bride. They will rule as kings and priests alongside Jesus on thrones helping judge those on earth during the trib and after the 2nd resurrection.
The little flock( Luke 12:32)( 144,000) are part of the first resurrection. Only these are bought from the earth by the blood of Jesus-Rev 14:3)-- this is his bride. They will rule as kings and priests alongside Jesus on thrones helping judge those on earth during the trib and after the 2nd resurrection.
Revelation 14
True, and they{the 144,00} are the only ones who have obtained the first resurrection, nobody else does.
They have obtained the resurrection because they raised full grown men.
They are not just brides, they are brides who raised a full grown son, where others lost their children in child birth because they were still weaning children instead of having raised a full grown son eating meat in due season.
'' God will create a new thing in the Earth, a woman shall encompass a man.''
Revelation 14
They are shown as virgins, but to call them firstfruits is showing virgins encompassing full grown men, they are pure virgins giving birth on first fruits because first fruits is the day of birth.
It is the day that Jesus was born into the new kingdom, being the first son of many who follow.
The 144,000 are the two witnesses, and the two witnesses are the people who are residing in the two sections of the Temple proper.
The Temple is measured, and the Temple is only people, the outer court is not counted because they remained gentile, but the two sections of the Temple proper is counted, the people counted to receive the seal of God in their forehead.
Revelation 11 begins exactly where Revelation 7 begins.
Revelation 10
Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”
So when we begin Revelation 11 of the counting of people, we go right back to Revelation 7 where the people are being sealed, because the people are being counted, the two witnesses being counted.
This is what happens at Rosh Hashanah going into Yom Kippur, and then we literally see Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur unfolding in the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet and the 7th bowl.
Revelation 7 is the sealing of two witnesses, and why two?
Revelation 14
True, and they{the 144,00} are the only ones who have obtained the first resurrection, nobody else does.
They have obtained the resurrection because they raised full grown men.
They are not just brides, they are brides who raised a full grown son, where others lost their children in child birth because they were still weaning children instead of having raised a full grown son eating meat in due season.
'' God will create a new thing in the Earth, a woman shall encompass a man.''
Revelation 14
They are shown as virgins, but to call them firstfruits is showing virgins encompassing full grown men, they are pure virgins giving birth on first fruits because first fruits is the day of birth.
It is the day that Jesus was born into the new kingdom, being the first son of many who follow.
The 144,000 are the two witnesses, and the two witnesses are the people who are residing in the two sections of the Temple proper.
The Temple is measured, and the Temple is only people, the outer court is not counted because they remained gentile, but the two sections of the Temple proper is counted, the people counted to receive the seal of God in their forehead.
Revelation 11 begins exactly where Revelation 7 begins.
Revelation 10
Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”
So when we begin Revelation 11 of the counting of people, we go right back to Revelation 7 where the people are being sealed, because the people are being counted, the two witnesses being counted.
This is what happens at Rosh Hashanah going into Yom Kippur, and then we literally see Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur unfolding in the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet and the 7th bowl.
Revelation 7 is the sealing of two witnesses, and why two?
They are virgins in the sense of having 0 to do with false religions and govts.( Babylon the great--the *****= false religions--they are fornicating with the govts of earth) Jesus is king. His kingdom will crush every human govt in existence at Harmageddon-Daniel 2:44) Rev 16 explains that with 3 misleading inspired expressions will mislead every kingdom( govt, armies, supporters) to stand in opposition to Gods Messiah, who is leading Gods armies to the earth to rid it of all wickedness. That is sad for this worlds followers, but the arrival of Gods kingdom is good news in reality.
Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God. He first said: repent. Repentance is for an unbeliever to turn to God and Jesus said without Him no one can come to God. Therefore the unbeliever has to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (Son of God 1.Jn 4:15) to receive the Kingdom. For a believer repentance means to forsake his sins (1.Jn 1:9). He has to live the gospel, that includes both repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. It is the work of the Holy Spirit in us, we have to obey, or how can we call Jesus otherwise our Lord (Mt 7:21). Faith means living the gospel and that includes works of the Holy Spirit, changing our lives and hearts, without Christ it is dead work and without fruit. Sin to death separates a believer from the Kingdom and without repentance it separates from God. The gospel is therefore a life of repentance and a life of faith in Christ Jesus. We have to have faith in Him and remain in Him, outside of Christ a person is spiritual dead (Rev 3:1-5).
That was an excellent beginning to this thread. We must be obedient to Christ and we must be possessors of the Holy Spirit until we die to enter into the kingdom of god.
See. Rev. 21:[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
That was an excellent beginning to this thread. We must be obedient to Christ and we must be possessors of the Holy Spirit until we die to enter into the kingdom of god.
See. Rev. 21:[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Thank you Robert! Sadly there come others that bring in their doctrines in as JW and their 144000. I am tired of arguing with people, they will not listen anyway, they have their aganda. They can have their religion and doctrines, I am the last that can change their mind, nor I am their judge, they will be judged by God's word, but some are like Israel was, stiffnecked people. Why should I waste my time? That is the reason, why I am not responding to everyone. To come back to the thread. We are in the last days. The spirit of the antichrist is at work. Who can stand? In Irak a parent with their 3 little children were beheaded, because they refused to deny Christ and become Moslems. I wonder, if someone not filled with the Holy Spirit can overcome, and it will certainly not get better. We all have our trials, therefore we need the grace of Christ, the love of the Father and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. God bless!
Thank you Robert! Sadly there come others that bring in their doctrines in as JW and their 144000. I am tired of arguing with people, they will not listen anyway, they have their aganda. They can have their religion and doctrines, I am the last that can change their mind, nor I am their judge, they will be judged by God's word, but some are like Israel was, stiffnecked people. Why should I waste my time? That is the reason, why I am not responding to everyone. To come back to the thread. We are in the last days. The spirit of the antichrist is at work. Who can stand? In Irak a parent with their 3 little children were beheaded, because they refused to deny Christ and become Moslems. I wonder, if someone not filled with the Holy Spirit can overcome, and it will certainly not get better. We all have our trials, therefore we need the grace of Christ, the love of the Father and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. God bless!
The word bought at Rev 14:3--proves the number is literal--no matter what anyone says. I wasn't arguing whatsoever---I state facts.
In the last days--this occurred---Daniel 12:4--- that means 0 teachers knew these truths before the last days---that means errors were taught all along on those certain truths---Jesus' real teachers would get these truths revealed through them to share at the proper time--but first they had to correct the error teachings that were in place. And--they have. But these truths are rejected by most because they weren't taught all along.
When do your teachers tell you about this 100% truth taught by Jesus?---Blessed are the meek( mild tempered) for they( great crowd) will inherit the earth.
The little flock( Luke 12:32)( 144,000) are part of the first resurrection. Only these are bought from the earth by the blood of Jesus-Rev 14:3)-- this is his bride. They will rule as kings and priests alongside Jesus on thrones helping judge those on earth during the trib and after the 2nd resurrection.
The first resurrection are the overcomers. The overcomers are called and chosen by God. They will be the ones who will rule and reign with Christ in the 1000 years Kingdom Age. This age is also known as the Stone Kingdom. Recall the stone that crushes the feet of the image of Daniel. The Stone Kingdom will fill the earth.
The people who died before the Kingdom Age who are not overcomers will be resurrected in the Great White Throne Judgment. The first resurrection is not a salvation issue. Paul knew his salvation was assured by he strived towards the high prize of the calling of God or to be a partaker of the Overcomers.
The word bought at Rev 14:3--proves the number is literal--no matter what anyone says. I wasn't arguing whatsoever---I state facts.
In the last days--this occurred---Daniel 12:4--- that means 0 teachers knew these truths before the last days---that means errors were taught all along on those certain truths---Jesus' real teachers would get these truths revealed through them to share at the proper time--but first they had to correct the error teachings that were in place. And--they have. But these truths are rejected by most because they weren't taught all along.
When do your teachers tell you about this 100% truth taught by Jesus?---Blessed are the meek( mild tempered) for they( great crowd) will inherit the earth.
Your words speak of a proud religious spirit, that knows it 100 %, but is blind to the truth. If the literal 144000 represent the First Resurrection, than the fruit of Jesus in 2000 years would be very small, that died in the Lord (1.Cor 15:23 and !. Thess 4:14). Revalation speaks of a multitude out of every nation and tongue(Rev 7:9 and19:6). I am sorry, I believe the bible and not the teachings of men. Who are the 144000? There is a thread about it and not the tobic of this thread.
Your words speak of a proud religious spirit, that knows it 100 %, but is blind to the truth. If the literal 144000 represent the First Resurrection, than the fruit of Jesus in 2000 years would be very small, that died in the Lord (1.Cor 15:23 and !. Thess 4:14). Revalation speaks of a multitude out of every nation and tongue(Rev 7:9 and19:6). I am sorry, I believe the bible and not the teachings of men. Who are the 144000? There is a thread about it and not the tobic of this thread.
Yes the great multitude, which no man can number. Jesus gave this assurance to them--- Blessed are the meek( mild tempered) for they( great multitude) will inherit the earth. The new earth--Not a new planet, but a brand new system---Gods kingdom in control forever, no more human govt. No more satan influence( after he is thrown into the lake of fire)--Eden translates-Paradise---The new earth will be transformed into a garden of paradise.
The first resurrection are the overcomers. The overcomers are called and chosen by God. They will be the ones who will rule and reign with Christ in the 1000 years Kingdom Age. This age is also known as the Stone Kingdom. Recall the stone that crushes the feet of the image of Daniel. The Stone Kingdom will fill the earth.
The people who died before the Kingdom Age who are not overcomers will be resurrected in the Great White Throne Judgment. The first resurrection is not a salvation issue. Paul knew his salvation was assured by he strived towards the high prize of the calling of God or to be a partaker of the Overcomers.
The first ressurection to heaven.
The second resurrection to earth.
Actually Paul taught--salvation or being saved was like running a race, one must run with endurance Paul taught, and one must cross the finish line( Those who endure till the end will be saved-Matt 10:22)
An apostle fell to satan, 1/3 of the angels fell to satan--Paul knew for sure one must keep on guard 24/7--
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