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Old 11-14-2014, 09:19 AM
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The first ressurection to heaven.
The second resurrection to earth.

Actually Paul taught--salvation or being saved was like running a race, one must run with endurance Paul taught, and one must cross the finish line( Those who endure till the end will be saved-Matt 10:22)

An apostle fell to satan, 1/3 of the angels fell to satan--Paul knew for sure one must keep on guard 24/7--
The First Resurrection are in Christ forever, they will reign with Him, the multitude of Revelation is in Heaven, the second resurrection is after the 1000 year reign of Christ, saying to earth is assumption, but may be right.
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Old 11-14-2014, 01:32 PM
 
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The first ressurection to heaven.
The second resurrection to earth.

Actually Paul taught--salvation or being saved was like running a race, one must run with endurance Paul taught, and one must cross the finish line( Those who endure till the end will be saved-Matt 10:22)

An apostle fell to satan, 1/3 of the angels fell to satan--Paul knew for sure one must keep on guard 24/7--




Paul understood the process of coming into the maturity of sonship. This process is reflected in many places in the Bible. The layout of the temple and the journey of the Israelites from Egypt to Canaan is another. Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification. Taking the example of the Israeli journey: justification is faith in Christ as shown by painting the door jams with lambs blood. Next God writes His laws in our hearts. Of course in the OT the Israelites were afraid and refused to go up the mountain and therefore the laws were given on tablets of stone.

Finally, glorification this where we receive the fullness of God. In the example the Israelites walked into their inheritance of physical land. That is a metaphor for the promised land today which is our inheritance in Christ, that is our glorified bodies.

Paul's salvation was assured and he knew that. Paul aspired to be an overcomer.



2 In hope of life age-abiding; which Godwho cannot lie promised before age-during times.

Titus 1:2 (above) makes reference to God's promise to us, which isthe hope of aionian life. Many have assumed that this is a reference toimmortality itself, and this is why it so often rendered "eternallife." But strictly speaking, this is not so. Aionian life is aspecific promise of immortality IN THE TABERNACLES AGE, given to those whoinherit Life in the first resurrection. A fewbelievers will inherit life at the first resurrection; but most believers willhave to wait for the general resurrection. Paul makes reference to the firstresurrection in Phil. 3:10-14.

10 That I may know Him, and the power of Hisresurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to Hisdeath; 11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection [exanastasis] from the dead. 12Not that I have already obtained it, or have already become perfect, butI press on in order that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid holdof by Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as havinglaid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behindand reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on towardthe goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

The "upwardcall of God" that Paul speaks of in Philippians3:14 is to receive Life inthe first resurrection at the beginning of the Tabernacles, NOT at the generalresurrection, at the end of the thousand years.

How do we knowthis? Because in Philippians3:11 Paul describes thishigher calling as being the "out-resurrection" (exanastasis).It is the only time in the entire New Testament that Paul puts an"ex" in front of the usual word for resurrection (anastasis).It is his way of differentiating this greater resurrection from the generalresurrection.
[from Stephen Jones at www.his-kingdom-ministries.net ]



Other Prophetic Patterns
The Tabernacle in theWilderness was designed in its very structure to indicate a 2,000 year ChurchAge, followed by a 1,000 year Kingdom Age. The Tabernacle was divided intothree areas: the outer court, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies. The outercourt typifies the Passover Age with its Brazen Altar. Because it had noceiling, one cannot measure the outer court like we can the tent of meeting.Yet it signifies the Old Testament era.
In the tent itself,the Holy Place typifies the Pentecostal Age and was 2,000 cubic cubits (10 x 20x 10 cubits). The Holy of Holies typifies the Tabernacles Age and 1,000 cubiccubits (10 x 10 x 10 cubits). In man's approach to God, the Tabernacle wasbuilt to show the way to God; and even its room's dimensions portray the timeof Pentecost and Tabernacles.
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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The First Resurrection are in Christ forever, they will reign with Him, the multitude of Revelation is in Heaven, the second resurrection is after the 1000 year reign of Christ, saying to earth is assumption, but may be right.

Gods word says the great multitude will enter Gods kingdom( it does not say heaven)
Post Harmageddon = Gods kingdom in rule of all creation, forever. No matter where one is standing. Earth, moon, or heaven, they will be in Gods kingdom.
And Jesus taught --Blessed are the meek( mild tempered) for they will inherit the earth.--- this is truth-- there is one flock--2 groups--The little flock( heaven) the great multitude( Earth).
That teaching from Jesus must be speaking of the great multitude.
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Old 11-14-2014, 02:29 PM
 
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Paul understood the process of coming into the maturity of sonship. This process is reflected in many places in the Bible. The layout of the temple and the journey of the Israelites from Egypt to Canaan is another. Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification. Taking the example of the Israeli journey: justification is faith in Christ as shown by painting the door jams with lambs blood. Next God writes His laws in our hearts. Of course in the OT the Israelites were afraid and refused to go up the mountain and therefore the laws were given on tablets of stone.

Finally, glorification this where we receive the fullness of God. In the example the Israelites walked into their inheritance of physical land. That is a metaphor for the promised land today which is our inheritance in Christ, that is our glorified bodies.

Paul's salvation was assured and he knew that. Paul aspired to be an overcomer.



2 In hope of life age-abiding; which Godwho cannot lie promised before age-during times.

Titus 1:2 (above) makes reference to God's promise to us, which isthe hope of aionian life. Many have assumed that this is a reference toimmortality itself, and this is why it so often rendered "eternallife." But strictly speaking, this is not so. Aionian life is aspecific promise of immortality IN THE TABERNACLES AGE, given to those whoinherit Life in the first resurrection. A fewbelievers will inherit life at the first resurrection; but most believers willhave to wait for the general resurrection. Paul makes reference to the firstresurrection in Phil. 3:10-14.

10 That I may know Him, and the power of Hisresurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to Hisdeath; 11 in order that I may attain to the resurrection [exanastasis] from the dead. 12Not that I have already obtained it, or have already become perfect, butI press on in order that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid holdof by Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I do not regard myself as havinglaid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behindand reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on towardthe goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

The "upwardcall of God" that Paul speaks of in Philippians3:14 is to receive Life inthe first resurrection at the beginning of the Tabernacles, NOT at the generalresurrection, at the end of the thousand years.

How do we knowthis? Because in Philippians3:11 Paul describes thishigher calling as being the "out-resurrection" (exanastasis).It is the only time in the entire New Testament that Paul puts an"ex" in front of the usual word for resurrection (anastasis).It is his way of differentiating this greater resurrection from the generalresurrection.
[from Stephen Jones at www.his-kingdom-ministries.net ]



Other Prophetic Patterns
The Tabernacle in theWilderness was designed in its very structure to indicate a 2,000 year ChurchAge, followed by a 1,000 year Kingdom Age. The Tabernacle was divided intothree areas: the outer court, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies. The outercourt typifies the Passover Age with its Brazen Altar. Because it had noceiling, one cannot measure the outer court like we can the tent of meeting.Yet it signifies the Old Testament era.
In the tent itself,the Holy Place typifies the Pentecostal Age and was 2,000 cubic cubits (10 x 20x 10 cubits). The Holy of Holies typifies the Tabernacles Age and 1,000 cubiccubits (10 x 10 x 10 cubits). In man's approach to God, the Tabernacle wasbuilt to show the way to God; and even its room's dimensions portray the timeof Pentecost and Tabernacles.


Those who endure till the end, will be saved--only two possible ends--death or Harmageddon. Not one living has reached either goal( finish line).. Gods word teaches--beware if you think you are standing strong.
Solomon fell to satan, Judas( apostle) fell to satan-- any can fall. One must run the race with endurance.
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Old 11-14-2014, 04:18 PM
 
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The First Resurrection are in Christ forever, they will reign with Him, the multitude of Revelation is in Heaven, the second resurrection is after the 1000 year reign of Christ, saying to earth is assumption, but may be right.
True, those resurrected to heaven will reign in heaven with Christ as being kings and priests.
They are part of a ' first' or ' earlier ' resurrection - Revelation 20 v 6; 5 vs 9,10; 2 v 10
They are also the spiritual ' brothers ' of Christ as mentioned at Matthew 25 v 40.

The living-on-earth humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25 vs 31,32 are the foundation of Jesus' coming 1000-year reign over earth.
During that thousand years, all who are Not resurrected to heaven, all who are resurrected on earth will have a healthy physical resurrection on earth, and the faithful will ' come to life ', so to speak, meaning finally gaining ' everlasting life on earth ' at the end of Christ's millennial reign. So, those restored back to healthy physical life on earth can still fall away if they chose Not to remain faithful during Jesus' millennium-long day of reigning over earth. Eternal life on earth will be sealed at the end of the thousand year reign. Those called to heaven are sealed, so to speak, with living forever in the heavens with Christ and the ' second death ' has No power over those resurrected to heaven. However, ' Second death ' will remain in effect on earth until the end of the thousand years.
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Old 11-15-2014, 02:37 PM
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True, those resurrected to heaven will reign in heaven with Christ as being kings and priests.
They are part of a ' first' or ' earlier ' resurrection - Revelation 20 v 6; 5 vs 9,10; 2 v 10
They are also the spiritual ' brothers ' of Christ as mentioned at Matthew 25 v 40.

The living-on-earth humble ' sheep ' of Matthew 25 vs 31,32 are the foundation of Jesus' coming 1000-year reign over earth.
During that thousand years, all who are Not resurrected to heaven, all who are resurrected on earth will have a healthy physical resurrection on earth, and the faithful will ' come to life ', so to speak, meaning finally gaining ' everlasting life on earth ' at the end of Christ's millennial reign. So, those restored back to healthy physical life on earth can still fall away if they chose Not to remain faithful during Jesus' millennium-long day of reigning over earth. Eternal life on earth will be sealed at the end of the thousand year reign. Those called to heaven are sealed, so to speak, with living forever in the heavens with Christ and the ' second death ' has No power over those resurrected to heaven. However, ' Second death ' will remain in effect on earth until the end of the thousand years.
The order of the resurrections are given in 1. Cor 15:23+24, the First fruits and than the main resurrection at His second coming and 1000 years later the rest of the dead. Paul says that we get an immortal body, that would exclude a physical resurrection. You could be right with Matt 25, but that would be the left behind, when Jesus comes back. The death we have now is also there in the Millennium, people can die. After the Millennium death is abolished, the lake of fire is called "second death", but nobody will die anymore. The righteous are in the Kingdom of God in the new earth, which is Heaven, eternity and the unrighteous are in the lake of fire, death means here separation from God.
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