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Do you have an example of such a case? Or at least such a case where the "certificate" was not false/erroneous to begin with?
Again we need examples of what you mean. With "NDE" we are not talking about people who are dead. That is why the N in NDE means NEAR Death Experience. NDE is nothing. If you want to make some metaphysical or supernatural point then surely you need a PDE.... as in POST death experience?
And to my knowledge we do not just have few, but NONE of those.
I would be interested to view and consider your substantiation for this claim.
If someone from the dead actually comes back then I of course WILL listen. The issue for me is you have not established this has happened. Yet you claim to know how we will react to it anyway. That is like me saying "I would cook you dinner but you would not like it" without even telling me what is on the menu.
OK. There is a well documented resurrection of an african pastor named Daniel, who was declared dead and his certificate was shown in the video "Raised-from-the-dead.avi-youTube" you can watch. You can find many other cases where people came back from death, just google. If you do not want to believe, I cannot help you, you are free to believe, what you want.
Notice this is put up by Christian Broadcasting Network, run by noted nutcase, Pat Robertson. In fact, 99% of all hell testimonies come from Christians. Anyone find that either suspicious, or amusing---or BOTH???
or people that become Christians. Maybe they are onto something.
nice 99 percent figure BTW.. Are you going to post a reliable source for this figure or are we to assume this number is fact based upon your authority?
yeah but we already have the Bible to tell us about hell, and Jesus and the prophets, and etc. and that has not stopped anyone from changing their lives.
People even joke about when they die they cant wait to go to hell so they can party and get drunk with their friends in hell.
so with those kind of flippant attitudes about hell, much can be done even without people having these experiences.
and even with the above people talking about it, i dont see a huge wave of people running for the hills or a church like you see in those disaster movies like when the end of the world is happening and you see a bunch of people singing in a church.
The flippant attitudes are a result of realizing (or having always known) that it's a myth.
It doesn't surprise me they're all Christians now. They know the truth.
Oooooo-kay!
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the ticket out of hell is being saved by Jesus.
There's no such place as hell. It was capitalized on by the Greeks off old legends from pagans like Buddhists and Hindus and Krishnas of places to send citizens who didn't obey their leaders and had to use something...anything so frightening that it would terrify citizens into obedience.
The RCC leaders saw that it worked so well for the Greeks they introduced it into the gospel literature and it was so successful that millions converted to Christianity on fear of going to hell and suffering in flames for eternity. All this is so patently ludicrous and so easily researched that there's no reason on earth why an educated Christian has to fall for this ridiculous nonsense. Christians who choose to tow the line and remain in the spiritual dark can go on being terrified by their church leaders. Some have chosen to come out of the dark into the light of truth and reason. You are obviously not one of them, sadly.
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It is hell to be without God. The soul is evil and wicked. All the testimonies of evil spirits go against your ideas.
No one is without God. They may believe they are, and that can feel like hell. People telling them that they are evil and wicked and that God has abandoned them isn't going to help them any.
There's no such place as hell. It was capitalized by the Greeks off old legends from pagans like Buddhists and Hindus and Krishnas of places to send bad people who didn't obey their leaders and had to use something...anything so frightening that it would terrify citizens into obedience.
The RCC leaders saw that it worked so well they introduced it into the gospel literature and it was so successful that millions converted to Christianity on fear of going to hell and suffering in flames for eternity. All this is so patently ludicrous and so easily researched that there's no reason on earth why an educated Christian has to fall for this ridiculous nonsense. Christians who choose to tow the line and remain in the spiritual dark can go on being terrified by their church leaders. Some have chosen to come out of the dark into the light of truth and reason. You are obviously not one of them, sadly.
Demons and evil spirit are in hell. This is the condition of the spirit being without God in the afterlife. How do you explain this? Jesus saves us from this evil and the human condition of being without God in the afterlife.
No one is without God. They may believe they are, and that can feel like hell. People telling them that they are evil and wicked and that God has abandoned them isn't going to help them any.
It is the lie that leads souls to hell. Belief in Christ delivers the soul from being wicked and being shackled to the evil one. Do your homework and stop lying.
You can find plenty of "Near Death Experiences" where the person, having no religious beliefs, had quite a nice experience.
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