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You make some good points, and thanks for not replying back harshly.
I also agree with the notion that no sin is greater or worse than any other, so that's not a problem for me. The problem I see with homosexuality as a sin, is that people use it as a crutch to intentionally sin rather than resist sin. I can resist an urge to commit adultery, to rape, murder, etc. I can also resist an urge to slander, take the Lord's name in vain, to steal, lie, etc. Why then is it any different with homosexuality, a sin that is on equal level with all other sins? Why is it ok for me to be in a homosexual relationship and actively, intentionally defy God every day I'm in this relationship - but it's not ok for me to sleep with my buddy's wife every day, and justify it because society allows it (ever hear of AshleyMadison.com? Craigslist? Both are websites that give adults simple tools to cheat on their partners, discreetly...)? Obviously there is a niche of society that thinks its cool to sleep around on their partners, so why's that such a big deal to my buddy? Shouldn't he and his kids just accept it as a normal lifestyle and get over it, get with the times? C'mon man, it's 2014, we're not apes anymore! I was born with sexual urges, why can't I sleep with whoever I want? Why can't I love whoever I want?! Why is that a sin, if all I'm doing is loving and following what everyone says is OK? Jesus just wants us to love one another, right?
See what I mean?
Despite all that ranting, I still feel convicted by the Spirit that homosexuality is wrong. I believe that what Paul says about it is of God and should be adhered to as God's commands. I agree with what you say that we're not to be judges of others, and I try every day not to be (though I fail, a lot). But, I also believe that if I truly want to be a follower of Christ, of the Spirit, of God - I need to follow his commands and the ways he's convicted me. I may be wrong, but I pray that God shows me that so that I don't cause others to stumble. I genuinely hope that's not what I'm doing in this case.
Sin is what you are convicted about in your own life.
Go back to post 1442 and watch that short video that shows what it might be like to be a heterosexual minority. If I told you to look at a man (I'm assuming you are a man) and that having a godly, healthy relationship with him was the only way for you to experience love and intimacy, how would you feel? Repulsed? That's what your understanding and teaching does to a homosexual man or woman who is told only the opposite sex is part of God's plan.
If they are born that way, and the current scientific information shows brain differences in homosexuals to make them wired to their sexual orientation, how can you call what God made evil? We see Down's children which is "not normal" but do we advocate that they are abominations before God? Or, as some parents say, they are special BECAUSE of God.
When Jesus was asked by his disciples when they came upon a blind man, "Who sinned? This man or his father?" What was Jesus reply? Neither had sinned. People in that day and age saw everything "different" as the result of someone's sin. Do we still understand it in that fashion?
If homosexuality were such a great evil as conservative Christians frequently believe, why wasn't there an eleventh commandment of "Thou shalt not be a homosexual?" Did God forget or did it not concern Him all that much? Which of the following "sins" is least written about in the Bible? Homosexuality, adultery, lying, murder, covetousness, obesity, or lack of hospitality?
Then why do supposed Christians start thread after thread about homosexuality? It's because another sin occupies their own hearts---self righteousness. Self righteousness occurs when it is someone else's sin, not mine--and when we can pass the hate off on God, not look inwardly at the plank in our own eyes. It is the argument of people who are afraid an insecure.
I don't pretend to understand homosexuality. I'm a heterosexual, married to the same woman for almost 44 years. But homosexuals don't understand OUR attraction to the opposite sex. Some of them, like Mel White struggle all or most of their lives literally hating themselves, listening to a bunch of people with no empathy and a complete lack of biblical knowledge within a historical setting tell them their natural attraction is wrong. I think that is where Other is, writing about his conversion but hinting at his daily struggle to control his natural thoughts and feelings.
I do believe in the covenant relationship of marriage. Lifetime commitment to one partner. God endorses that faithfulness in the book of Hosea---even when the partner is unfaithful. But conservative Christianity says to the homosexual, "you may only marry someone of the opposite sex," and thereby likely make both your heterosexual partner and yourself miserable.
Is God the author of confusion? Does He desire people to be unequally yoked, their lives miserable and frequently resulting in divorce which God hates according to Malachi 2:16.
Finally, why is this "godly doctrine" driving so many young people from evangelical churches. That is the report of a statistical study by the Barma Group, a Christian statistical agency. And pastors in some churches are taking note and changing their approach. Look up the pastor of The First Baptist Church of Dallas, W. A. Criswell's church until he passed away, and read how he is altering his preaching about homosexuality, if not his beliefs.
If something comes from God and is good, it draws people to them. Since conservative Christianity adopted their previously unspoken position on homosexuality, attendance has begun to drop. If God can't be God for all, then He isn't God at all.
Why did God create homosexuals or Down's Syndrome babies or infants that are blind? I don't know. "Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Thy sight."
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How about his "suggestion" in more than one post that homosexuality deserves the death penalty?
I don't call that hate. I call it somewhat heavy-handed since we are no longer under the old covenant, but Hate? No. You seem to like to make some people sound a whole lot worse than they are so you can try and discredit them if you don't like what they have to say. I will repeat what I said before: If what you are preaching had a sturdy foundation, you would not need to resort to those types of dishonest tactics. You would simply discuss the subject with out continually trying to impune people's character and labeling them Pharisees like this is coffee and Bibles at dawn.
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Originally Posted by Wardendresden
And yes, I do judge, in the same fashion Jesus did. In every case where He condemned an individual--every single one---He condemned a "religious" person who knew their bible, who followed the Law, and who took the liberty to beat on their chests and thank God they were not like "that sinner over there."
You want to tell me you are an adulterer, or a pornographer, or a thief, or murderer, or child molester, or a liar, or a gossip? I have no judgment of you. I sin in similar fashion as do we all. Jesus didn't "condemn" (roundly speak down to) anyone except religious people (most often Pharisees). To my knowledge only two ever repented of being what Jesus called "vipers."
And that's just a biblical fact. I aim my attacks as Jesus aimed His--at people using their religion to put down other people. It's a quite Christ-like effort.
By the way, do YOU suggest homosexuals should be put to death? And, if not, why not? It's certainly a part of the same verse of scripture stating that homosexuals are an abomination. If you are going to be "literal" with scripture, then promote ALL of it.
You go on to continually make assumptions about people that you cannot logically make from a post on an internet forum. Once again, you judge their hearts and their motivations when you don't know what their hearts are like. And you violate scripture every time you do it.
As someone else already pointed out, and you didn't deal with it, we are no longer under the Old Law, we are under a new covenant. Hebrews goes on and on about this. It says that anyone attempting to live under the law lives under a curse. That does not mean that there is no consequence for committing moral sins, it means that there is no earthly punishment for them, such as the death penalty for engaging in homosexual acts.
1 John 1:5-10 5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.
1 John 3:6-11 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
11 This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.
1 John 5:16-20 16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.
17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.
18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.
19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
John seems to think that if people continue to engage in willful and unrepentant sins, that there might be a problem. Is John wrong like Paul is? If you are going to pick and choose as to which Apostles should be listened to and which ones shouldn't, you may as well just get rid of your Bible. It appears that you take things written by people like Mel White more seriously anyway. If I am given the choice as to which book to take more seriously, considering my Christian walk, the Bible, or a book by Mel White, I'm going with the Bible.
Jesus condemned religious leaders not for being "religious" as you put it. He condemned them for being hypocrites. He condemned them for holding other people to a standard of holiness that they did not follow themselves. They followed the Law, but they did it by rote, not to please God or be obedient, but to appear holy to others. To say, on the one hand that you are a good Christian and wish to faithfully serve God, and then on the other hand, commit adultery or fornication, or homosexuality is not faithfully serving God. It is hypocrisy and that is what Jesus condemned. Jesus did not condemn the adulteress. He told her not to sin anymore.
Stating that homosexuality is a sin is not condemning. You try and make that connection in almost every post, but they are not connected no matter how many times you say it. I'd post the pertinent verse from 1 Corinthians, but since you don't seem to think that Paul was an Apostle, that exercise would be useless.
I haven't put down anyone. I haven't judged anyone. I haven't condemned anyone. These are all accusations that you continually try and place upon people to make the subject go away, because you cannot answer simple questions. I will ask the question again, for the third time now:
Is homosexuality a sin?
Jesus, and by extension, the Apostles never encountered a person who was involved in sin and just keep walking and not deal with it. They didn't condemn. They didn't judge. But they did love the person enough to point out that they were trapped in a lifestyle of bondage that would eventually destroy them if they didn't get out of it. And there is only one way out. Your version of Christian love is this:
"Don't point anything out. Don't say to anyone else that something is wrong, (even though you do it continually with people here who don't agree with you (!)) even if it going to kill them. Don't tell someone that homosexuality is wrong. Don't tell a tweaker that meth will kill them. Don't tell a pick-pocket that he shouldn't lift people's wallets."
I don't see that rational supported anywhere in scripture. If I told you I was involved in adultery, right now, I would hope that, as a Christian, you would love and care enough about me to tell me that you didn't judge or condemn me but it would be best for me to quit committing adultery. That is what Christ would do.
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And how do you decide which parts are God inspired and which to discard? You can carve out your own custom designed Christian religion with that kind of mentality.
So do you since you don't follow or believe everything in the Bible 100% either.
Sin is what you are convicted about in your own life.
Go back to post 1442 and watch that short video that shows what it might be like to be a heterosexual minority. If I told you to look at a man (I'm assuming you are a man) and that having a godly, healthy relationship with him was the only way for you to experience love and intimacy, how would you feel? Repulsed? That's what your understanding and teaching does to a homosexual man or woman who is told only the opposite sex is part of God's plan.
If they are born that way, and the current scientific information shows brain differences in homosexuals to make them wired to their sexual orientation, how can you call what God made evil? We see Down's children which is "not normal" but do we advocate that they are abominations before God? Or, as some parents say, they are special BECAUSE of God.
When Jesus was asked by his disciples when they came upon a blind man, "Who sinned? This man or his father?" What was Jesus reply? Neither had sinned. People in that day and age saw everything "different" as the result of someone's sin. Do we still understand it in that fashion?
If homosexuality were such a great evil as conservative Christians frequently believe, why wasn't there an eleventh commandment of "Thou shalt not be a homosexual?" Did God forget or did it not concern Him all that much? Which of the following "sins" is least written about in the Bible? Homosexuality, adultery, lying, murder, covetousness, obesity, or lack of hospitality?
Then why do supposed Christians start thread after thread about homosexuality? It's because another sin occupies their own hearts---self righteousness. Self righteousness occurs when it is someone else's sin, not mine--and when we can pass the hate off on God, not look inwardly at the plank in our own eyes. It is the argument of people who are afraid an insecure.
I don't pretend to understand homosexuality. I'm a heterosexual, married to the same woman for almost 44 years. But homosexuals don't understand OUR attraction to the opposite sex. Some of them, like Mel White struggle all or most of their lives literally hating themselves, listening to a bunch of people with no empathy and a complete lack of biblical knowledge within a historical setting tell them their natural attraction is wrong. I think that is where Other is, writing about his conversion but hinting at his daily struggle to control his natural thoughts and feelings.
I do believe in the covenant relationship of marriage. Lifetime commitment to one partner. God endorses that faithfulness in the book of Hosea---even when the partner is unfaithful. But conservative Christianity says to the homosexual, "you may only marry someone of the opposite sex," and thereby likely make both your heterosexual partner and yourself miserable.
Is God the author of confusion? Does He desire people to be unequally yoked, their lives miserable and frequently resulting in divorce which God hates according to Malachi 2:16.
Finally, why is this "godly doctrine" driving so many young people from evangelical churches. That is the report of a statistical study by the Barma Group, a Christian statistical agency. And pastors in some churches are taking note and changing their approach. Look up the pastor of The First Baptist Church of Dallas, W. A. Criswell's church until he passed away, and read how he is altering his preaching about homosexuality, if not his beliefs.
If something comes from God and is good, it draws people to them. Since conservative Christianity adopted their previously unspoken position on homosexuality, attendance has begun to drop. If God can't be God for all, then He isn't God at all.
Why did God create homosexuals or Down's Syndrome babies or infants that are blind? I don't know. "Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Thy sight."
I see what you're saying, but I think you miss my point that I don't believe homosexuality is any more abominable than any other sin. The author of this thread, and others posting in it, may think so, but I don't. I agree that it's "not a big deal" in that sense. But to God, I believe ALL sin is a big deal, and he commands us not to sin. Now not everyone may be currently convicted by the Spirit to reject homosexuality as acceptable before God, but I also don't believe that the Spirit is ultimately fickle in its convictions. God is the Spirit, and God's will is uncompromisable. We may reject what God is telling us through the Holy Spirit, but that doesn't mean we're right and God is wrong. The world hates God, and the world seemingly can't get enough of telling us how wrong Christians are about what they believe. That troubles me and I'd hope it troubles you too.
Anyway, this discussion has really gotten the wheels in my head turning, so I'll prayerfully ponder what we've talked about.
Sin is what you are convicted about in your own life.
Go back to post 1442 and watch that short video that shows what it might be like to be a heterosexual minority. If I told you to look at a man (I'm assuming you are a man) and that having a godly, healthy relationship with him was the only way for you to experience love and intimacy, how would you feel? Repulsed? That's what your understanding and teaching does to a homosexual man or woman who is told only the opposite sex is part of God's plan.
If they are born that way, and the current scientific information shows brain differences in homosexuals to make them wired to their sexual orientation, how can you call what God made evil? We see Down's children which is "not normal" but do we advocate that they are abominations before God? Or, as some parents say, they are special BECAUSE of God.
When Jesus was asked by his disciples when they came upon a blind man, "Who sinned? This man or his father?" What was Jesus reply? Neither had sinned. People in that day and age saw everything "different" as the result of someone's sin. Do we still understand it in that fashion?
If homosexuality were such a great evil as conservative Christians frequently believe, why wasn't there an eleventh commandment of "Thou shalt not be a homosexual?" Did God forget or did it not concern Him all that much? Which of the following "sins" is least written about in the Bible? Homosexuality, adultery, lying, murder, covetousness, obesity, or lack of hospitality?
Then why do supposed Christians start thread after thread about homosexuality? It's because another sin occupies their own hearts---self righteousness. Self righteousness occurs when it is someone else's sin, not mine--and when we can pass the hate off on God, not look inwardly at the plank in our own eyes. It is the argument of people who are afraid an insecure.
I don't pretend to understand homosexuality. I'm a heterosexual, married to the same woman for almost 44 years. But homosexuals don't understand OUR attraction to the opposite sex. Some of them, like Mel White struggle all or most of their lives literally hating themselves, listening to a bunch of people with no empathy and a complete lack of biblical knowledge within a historical setting tell them their natural attraction is wrong. I think that is where Other is, writing about his conversion but hinting at his daily struggle to control his natural thoughts and feelings.
I do believe in the covenant relationship of marriage. Lifetime commitment to one partner. God endorses that faithfulness in the book of Hosea---even when the partner is unfaithful. But conservative Christianity says to the homosexual, "you may only marry someone of the opposite sex," and thereby likely make both your heterosexual partner and yourself miserable.
Is God the author of confusion? Does He desire people to be unequally yoked, their lives miserable and frequently resulting in divorce which God hates according to Malachi 2:16.
Finally, why is this "godly doctrine" driving so many young people from evangelical churches. That is the report of a statistical study by the Barma Group, a Christian statistical agency. And pastors in some churches are taking note and changing their approach. Look up the pastor of The First Baptist Church of Dallas, W. A. Criswell's church until he passed away, and read how he is altering his preaching about homosexuality, if not his beliefs.
If something comes from God and is good, it draws people to them. Since conservative Christianity adopted their previously unspoken position on homosexuality, attendance has begun to drop. If God can't be God for all, then He isn't God at all.
Why did God create homosexuals or Down's Syndrome babies or infants that are blind? I don't know. "Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Thy sight."
Buying into the "homosexuals are born that way" is a slippery slope you shouldn't slide down and it's a rabbit hole. Every human being is flawed by the sin nature. Homosexuality is a sin flaw. It is a form of idolatry replacing the covenant relationship set up by God in Genesis with a satanic counterfeit. Adultery? Same way. A counterfeit. Satan uses counterfeits all over the place. Looks like the real thing, feels like the real thing. Isn't the real thing. Your position and teaching is "Accept the counterfeit."
If you are going to use the "born that way" defense, then you have to apply it to every single sinful area that one could name. Anything any person wanted to do and still claim they were a Christian would be acceptable. Is that what you believe? If you are going to accept homosexuality as not being a sin, and you obviously do, even though you won't come right out and say it, then you have to accept adultery and fornication as well, by default. You can't pick one sexual sin and say "This one's OK now," and say that the rest are still forbidden. You have to allow them all as a package deal. You defer to people like Mel White and secular societies opinion as to what is now "modern" and "acceptable, and those are not supposed to be your sources of morality.
Godly doctrine is driving people from the church because, just as Jesus and the Apostles said it would, the world is becoming a more and more ungodly place that doesn't like The Gospel. So the majority of the Western church is attempting to make a message more palletable to secular society. They abandon the Gospel of Christ for a more world-friendly and user-friendly doctrine that teaches you can be a Christian and you don't have to make any changes in your worldly life at all if you don't want to. It is a gospel devoid of both Christ, and repentance. Is such a gospel valid?
Buying into the "homosexuals are born that way" is a slippery slope you shouldn't slide down and it's a rabbit hole. Every human being is flawed by the sin nature. Homosexuality is a sin flaw. It is a form of idolatry replacing the covenant relationship set up by God in Genesis with a satanic counterfeit. Adultery? Same way. A counterfeit. Satan uses counterfeits all over the place. Looks like the real thing, feels like the real thing. Isn't the real thing. Your position and teaching is "Accept the counterfeit."
If you are going to use the "born that way" defense, then you have to apply it to every single sinful area that one could name. Anything any person wanted to do and still claim they were a Christian would be acceptable. Is that what you believe? If you are going to accept homosexuality as not being a sin, and you obviously do, even though you won't come right out and say it, then you have to accept adultery and fornication as well, by default. You can't pick one sexual sin and say "This one's OK now," and say that the rest are still forbidden. You have to allow them all as a package deal. You defer to people like Mel White and secular societies opinion as to what is now "modern" and "acceptable, and those are not supposed to be your sources of morality.
Godly doctrine is driving people from the church because, just as Jesus and the Apostles said it would, the world is becoming a more and more ungodly place that doesn't like The Gospel. So the majority of the Western church is attempting to make a message more palletable to secular society. They abandon the Gospel of Christ for a more world-friendly and user-friendly doctrine that teaches you can be a Christian and you don't have to make any changes in your worldly life at all if you don't want to. It is a gospel devoid of both Christ, and repentance. Is such a gospel valid?
A strong declaration of wrong, but no firm explanation of why it's wrong. Just because you say it is?
If you can present a scriptural foundation for homosexuality being a born-with condition, and therefore acceptable, go for it. Since you clearly have so much wisdom, it should be fairly easy for you to do so.
Wardendresden:
Sin is what you are convicted about in your own life
No! God decides what is sin:
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: forsin is the transgression of the law.
You are teaching sin and you and others are trying to leaven many others with sins that are clearly defined in the Bible as sin.
Remember the Old Covenant was a marriage agreement with ancient Israel. They broke that covenant and now Christ is offering a New Covenant and this time it is a spiritual covenant and the commandments, statutes, judgments, etc will be written on the hearts of Spirit being who will be born again into the very Family of God.
If you enter into a contract with someone out in the world and in that contract are certain laws of the land that must be observed in order for that contract to continue -- if one or both parties break or annul the contract does that do away with the laws of the land that were part of the agreement? No!
Adultery was condemned as a sin in the Old Covenant with ancient Israel. Does that mean that it is no longer a sin to commit adultery just because ancient Israel broke their marriage agreement with God? No. In fact, adultery and God's spiritual law was in effect before the Old Covenant. Read Joseph's words in the incident with Potiphar's wife and read what God said about Abraham.
Genesis 39:
1, And Joseph was brought down to Egypt; and Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh, captain of the guard, an Egyptian, bought him of the hands of the Ishmeelites, which had brought him down thither.
2, And the LORD was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian.
3, And his master saw that the LORD was with him, and that the LORD made all that he did to prosper in his hand.
7, And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8, But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9, There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
Genesis 26:
4, And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Remember all this was before Mount Sinai.
Christ Himself said the He did not come to destroy the law or the prophets and He even said the the law and prophets hang on the two Great Commandments He spoke of in Matthew 22:
Matthew 22:
35, Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
And the law and prophets are still hanging under those two Great Commandments and in existence today.
You are preaching error. Plain and simple. Now, you have the right to speak your mind even though you are teaching error but I have an equal right to prove and warn about your erroneous doctrines and not let you get any more "puffed up" as Paul describes in 1 Corinthians 5 and bring in more and more leaven.
Now, I have shown you how Paul handles the same situation in 1 Corinthians 5 with a member with a sin also listed in Leviticus 18 as the one in the opening post. Paul shows how one who represents Christ should handle this problem in a most straightforward manner. (I never had as much respect for Paul's writings as I do in this case. He absolutely nails your false religious doctrines and exposes you as one who condones and leavens others with sin.)
Please read 1 Corinthians 5 again and again. He has got you and exposed you and no matter what excuses you try to offer you cannot overcome his powerful lesson almost tailor made for your specific error you have expressed on this thread:
1 Corinthians 5:
1, It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2, And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3, For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6, Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7, Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:2
8, Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9, I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10, Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11, But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12, For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13, But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
You must admit, Paul knows the will of God and acts on this matter without any hesitation and He judges correctly and this has been written down for guidance to others for many centuries now and here you are trying to discredit this man and lift yourself up as someone superior.
1 Corinthians 5 should give you nightmares. God has given you a most specific instruction on how to deal with sexual misconduct in the true Church of God. Please reconsider your false doctrines.
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