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Absolutely horrific things, but what does that have to do with the claim that gays are presently struggling against a level of discrimination that is exactly the same as the civil rights era? I think just about anyone could dig back into the history of their ancestors and find atrocities done to them. You know at one time, Christians were ripped apart by wild animals for the amusement of Roman spectators.
in the attempt to make a level playing field our government has been stripping away rights for some time. the most serious is mega restrictions on business which only leads to more off shoring and illegal alien hiring.
you cant legislate income equality.
as far as marriage institution failure dont blame that on gays marriage was dying long before the gay movement.
Irrelevant as I fully support gays receiving all the same legal benefits and rights as a married couple. I only take issue when you try to rewrite what God and man has traditionally defined as marriage.
Oh great, the problem is solved then! Gays and lesbians who have a civil union simply need to inform the government that they do have the same rights as a married couple, because jeffbase40 fully supports them! Yay!
I don't believe I specifically claimed that they currently have all the same benefits. I meant that gays would still not be satisfied even if you pass laws giving them all these legal benefits.
Yes, you did.
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Exactly. This is why gays are not satisfied with civil unions that give all the same legal benefits as a married couple. Equal rights and benefits but that's not good enough. They need that label "married" and to be married in a church because that forces society to accept their lifestyle as being natural and normal.
in the attempt to make a level playing field our government has been stripping away rights for some time. the most serious is mega restrictions are on business which only leads to more off shoring and illegal alien hiring.
you cant legislate income equality.
What are you talking about? This thread is about same sex marriage.
Nice back pedal, that's not what you said or meant clearly. You said and I quote "This is why gays are not satisfied with civil unions that give all the same legal benefits as a married couple. Equal rights and benefits but that's not good enough."
Zero indication in this sentence that you meant that you "support" equal rights and every indication that you were ignorant to the reality.
Well now you know my position so why the need to bring this up? I am sorry that I wasn't clear in that statement. Perhaps I should have said:
"This is why gays are not satisfied with civil unions that would give all the same legal benefits as a married couple. Equal rights and benefits but that's not good enough."
Well now you know my position so why the need to bring this up? I am sorry that I wasn't clear in that statement. Perhaps I should have said:
"This is why gays are not satisfied with civil unions that would give all the same legal benefits as a married couple. Equal rights and benefits but that's not good enough."
All states that prohibited SSM also ban civil unions, of course this has bee pointed many times already.
No one is forcing any church to marry Same-sex couples. I don't understand why you can't get this? When same-sex marriage became legal in Oklahoma there were several members of the clergy who showed up at the courthouse in downtown Tulsa who were volunteering their services for same-sex couples who want to get married. There are several churches in Tulsa that will marry same-sex couples. I do not know of any case where a same-sex couple wanted to get married in a church that would not allow it. I don't know where you get your information from.
What I get is that just last week, an attempt was made by a gay Houston mayor to cross that line and try to force pastors to submit their sermons for approval. You know, that line that you claim here will NEVER be breached. Sure, the attempt was shot down and the mayor tried to back pedal, but it was really only shot down because we still have good Christian politicians like Ted Cruz who stood a public stand against it.
What will the future be like when we have a lot more gay politicians though? I am willing to bet a majority of Bible belt Okies don't support same sex marriage, but they couldn't stop it. So how could they stop a new law that demands all churches submit their sermons and never preach against homosexuality or face punishment for "hate speech"?
Absolutely horrific things, but what does that have to do with the claim that gays are presently struggling against a level of discrimination that is exactly the same as the civil rights era? I think just about anyone could dig back into the history of their ancestors and find atrocities done to them. You know at one time, Christians were ripped apart by wild animals for the amusement of Roman spectators.
ZERO proof this ever happened, but you already knew this didn't you?
What I get is that just last week, an attempt was made by a gay Houston mayor to cross that line and try to force pastors to submit their sermons for approval. You know, that line that you claim here will NEVER be breached. Sure, the attempt was shot down and the mayor tried to back pedal, but it was really only shot down because we still have good Christian politicians like Ted Cruz who stood a public stand against it.
What will the future be like when we have a lot more gay politicians though? I am willing to bet a majority of Bible belt Okies don't support same sex marriage, but they couldn't stop it. So how could they stop a new law that demands all churches submit their sermons and never preach against homosexuality or face punishment for "hate speech"?
They can stop it the same way politicians are stopping the gay bans... with the courts and the constitution.
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