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Old 10-24-2014, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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This is the intellectual equivalent of stomping your feet on the ground in a fit!
Perfectly captures the sheer, stubborn, childish refusal of the fundamentalist to allow common sense to enter the picture.

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Old 10-24-2014, 12:23 PM
 
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Indeed, and you are welcome to protest! Go do it! Speak up for what you believe in! Here's the catch though, you'll have to argue against the constitution while doing so... good freaken luck :-)
Right on! Power to the people! <<raises fist>> In this country he has the right to do that. (First Amendment: freedoms of speech, peaceful assembly and association.)

Of course if he's going to argue before the Supreme Court he'll need to be an attorney and meet certain qualifications. They don't let just anyone wander in and say things like, "I don't like equality under the law and I'm not crazy about the 14th Amendment."

So he'll need to study, study, study. Owning a really nice suit would also help.

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Old 10-24-2014, 12:49 PM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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And I don't think gays were ever segregated to where they had to eat at their own restaurants or bars. Yet this comparison was made:





It is an unfair comparison because it makes the pro-gay side automatically appear more moral. The you have the position - Hey, if you don't accept and embrace the gay lifestyle then you are exactly the same bigot as those horrible people in the civil rights era! At least, that's how it comes across to me.
Nobody is asking you to embrace a lifestyle, because being gay it is not a life style. One of the biggest things black and gays have in common, is overcoming the oppression from the Christian right. Thankfully humans don't have to be Christian to be considered equal under the eyes of the law.
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Old 10-24-2014, 12:56 PM
 
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One doesn't involve a moral conflict that is specifically called out as sin numerous times in the Holy Bible. The argument for gay marriage is pretty weak when your side constantly has to tie it at the hip with the civil rights era.
So, am I to understand that you think the civil rights movement was unjustified? Ethnic minorities were once discriminated against, the same as LGBTs are to a (now) lesser extent. So, how is this argument weak?

The vast majority of persons under 30 supports full marriage equality for LGBTs because they understand it is a civil rights issue, period. You're free to make personal judgments all you want, but this doesn't give you -or anyone else- the right to bigotry in legal social affairs like marriage.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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One doesn't involve a moral conflict that is specifically called out as sin numerous times in the Holy Bible. The argument for gay marriage is pretty weak when your side constantly has to tie it at the hip with the civil rights era.
When your side keeps trying to use the exact same arguments they tried to use against racial civil rights YOU are the one inviting the comparison.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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But Christian organizations on campus must promote gay leaders? Look past the federal funding defense and try to see that this is an intrusion into Christians religious freedom.
No, it means that if a gay person is nominated for president they must VOTE on whether or not that person is their leader.

You know, sort of like if a black person were nominated for President of the United States. He doesn't become President unless a majority of people VOTE to put him in office.

There are actually millions of people that believe a "black" president was forced down their throats. It should have been illegal for him to run for office.

That's exactly how your pouting appears to the rest of us.

And I'm sure the fine Christian organization on campus is filled with holy, never-sinning individuals, one of whom God Himself selects to be the leader of their prayer group.

Give us a break!
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:32 PM
 
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This is the intellectual equivalent of stomping your feet on the ground in a fit!
In other words, you have no counter argument.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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In other words, you have no counter argument.
Do you argue with toddlers?
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:37 PM
 
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No, my comment is my observation. You contradict yourself and make factually incorrect statements rather frequently.
I would have more respect for you if you followed that statement with "for example". Can you post even one factually incorrect statement that I made? It's simple with me. If I'm wrong, prove it. I'll listen to a good counter argument, but hit and run statements like this or "go educate yourself" are nothing but thinly veiled cheap shots when you don't back it up.
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Old 10-24-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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But Christian organizations on campus must promote gay leaders? Look past the federal funding defense and try to see that this is an intrusion into Christians religious freedom.
Another thing you seem to not understand.

Title IX is a civil rights law that prohibits discrimination based on sex in federally funded education programs and activities. It is a portion of the United States Education Amendments signed into law in 1972. If a school accepts federal funding that school is subject to Title IX. it's not a "defense". It's the law.

If a school doesn't want to follow the law, that school can apply for an exemption. Or that school can fund itself and not use federal dollars.

Here's a fuller explanation which I urge you to read. Knowledge is power:

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/title_IX

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