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Old 10-25-2014, 10:45 AM
 
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We are talking here about The Great Reformation (of basically the 16th century),

which was …
The freedom gained from spiritual deceptions and from bondages imposed by man!

I am not capable of giving a full report of how God raised up incredible heroes
who were more than willing to give up their lives to “contend earnestly for
the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” (Jude 3).

Yes, God chose the appropriate men and gave them revelations of His will and the truth,
which was …
The truth to be followed was in His Holy Scriptures instead of in the Roman church.

The history I am reading centers on the lives of the early post-apostolic true believers,
followed by such as: the Waldenses, the Albigenses, John Wycliffe, John Huss, Jerome,
Martin Luther, Ulric Zwingli, the German princes, John Calvin and the French Reformation,
and on and on.

Out of all this came: Sola Scriptura … have faith only in the Holy Scriptures!

Anyone who puts his/her faith and trust in man,
in a religious organization, in “the doctrines of men”, etc.
is greatly deceived and is in great danger of being led astray unto eternal damnation.
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Old 10-25-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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We are talking here about The Great Reformation (of basically the 16th century),

which was …
The freedom gained from spiritual deceptions and from bondages imposed by man!

I am not capable of giving a full report of how God raised up incredible heroes
who were more than willing to give up their lives to “contend earnestly for
the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” (Jude 3).

Yes, God chose the appropriate men and gave them revelations of His will and the truth,
which was …
The truth to be followed was in His Holy Scriptures instead of in the Roman church.

The history I am reading centers on the lives of the early post-apostolic true believers,
followed by such as: the Waldenses, the Albigenses, John Wycliffe, John Huss, Jerome,
Martin Luther, Ulric Zwingli, the German princes, John Calvin and the French Reformation,
and on and on.

Out of all this came: Sola Scriptura … have faith only in the Holy Scriptures!

Anyone who puts his/her faith and trust in man,
in a religious organization, in “the doctrines of men”, etc.
is greatly deceived and is in great danger of being led astray unto eternal damnation.
Today's Evangelicals are nothing like the Lutherans of the 16th century.
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Old 10-25-2014, 11:18 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Today's Evangelicals are nothing like the Lutherans of the 16th century.
The Lutherans of the 16th century would be very similar to the confessional Lutherans of the WELS \ ELS \ LCMS .... not to mention the Lutherans that are in doctrinal fellowship of the WELS \ ELS
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Old 10-25-2014, 06:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by evangelist-77 View Post

We are talking here about The Great Reformation (of basically the 16th century),

which was …
The freedom gained from spiritual deceptions and from bondages imposed by man!

I am not capable of giving a full report of how God raised up incredible heroes
who were more than willing to give up their lives to “contend earnestly for
the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” (Jude 3).

Yes, God chose the appropriate men and gave them revelations of His will and the truth,
which was …
The truth to be followed was in His Holy Scriptures instead of in the Roman church.

The history I am reading centers on the lives of the early post-apostolic true believers,
followed by such as: the Waldenses, the Albigenses, John Wycliffe, John Huss, Jerome,
Martin Luther, Ulric Zwingli, the German princes, John Calvin and the French Reformation,
and on and on.

Out of all this came: Sola Scriptura … have faith only in the Holy Scriptures!

Anyone who puts his/her faith and trust in man,
in a religious organization, in “the doctrines of men”, etc.
is greatly deceived and is in great danger of being led astray unto eternal damnation.
But then the started killing those who disagreed so ...................................

No real reformation.
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Old 10-25-2014, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Originally Posted by evangelist-77 View Post
We are talking here about The Great Reformation (of basically the 16th century),
which was …
The freedom gained from spiritual deceptions and from bondages imposed by man!

I am not capable of giving a full report of how God raised up incredible heroes
who were more than willing to give up their lives to “contend earnestly for
the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.” (Jude 3).

Yes, God chose the appropriate men and gave them revelations of His will and the truth,
which was …
The truth to be followed was in His Holy Scriptures instead of in the Roman church.

The history I am reading centers on the lives of the early post-apostolic true believers,
followed by such as: the Waldenses, the Albigenses, John Wycliffe, John Huss, Jerome,
Martin Luther, Ulric Zwingli, the German princes, John Calvin and the French Reformation,
and on and on.

Out of all this came: Sola Scriptura … have faith only in the Holy Scriptures!

Anyone who puts his/her faith and trust in man,
in a religious organization, in “the doctrines of men”, etc.
is greatly deceived and is in great danger of being led astray unto eternal damnation.
I'd go along with the idea that the Reformation served an important purpose, but I definitely don't see its end-result the same as you do. Christianity needed a Restoration, not a Reformation.
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Old 10-25-2014, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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The Lutherans of the 16th century would be very similar to the confessional Lutherans of the WELS \ ELS \ LCMS .... not to mention the Lutherans that are in doctrinal fellowship of the WELS \ ELS
You're one of these, aren't you, twin? I forget which one. Could you briefly explain the similarities and differences between them?
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Old 10-26-2014, 05:07 AM
 
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Still when believers dwell on the differences and condemn the other churches and create a unforgiveness in their heart and in the spirit , they will not prevail against the gates of hades , as they invite the spirit of divisions which is antichrist spirit rules over the rejection of Jesus commandment `Love your neighbor `........................and many believer who engages in his heart can find that his days in the earth can be shortened .............................. See there is nothing wrong with the great reformation is that it opened the door for more people getting saved for the lamb of God , as the clergy in the old church had closed the door to many people and shut the bible in strict languages only where producing the bible in other languages was heresy , and heaven was restricted and need a break through ........................ BUT then the old churches did go through the Catholic Reformation and they did adopt new doctrines from the views of the Protestant reformation and they are not the same church from the 1500s ......................... Like I said before with divisions we need for forgive the other churches and pray for their church to find the wisdom and understanding from Heaven and the rejection of Jesus Commandment `Love your neighbor ` which some over look , actually means every one , not just the neighbor in the same church were a believer will go
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Old 10-26-2014, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I have not yet seen a formal church administration that did not blow it. On the other hand, I have seen followers of Christ in several denominations.
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