Why do You Believe the World is only 6.000 years old? (Christ, Isaac)
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Oh, for pete's sake. Where are you finding all this nonsense, or are you just making it up on your own? You know, I asked you the other day to substantiate your assertions about the Beringian migration and the bible being the authority for a spherical Earth, but you didn't back that stuff up either.
So what's the story? Are you making it all up on your own, or are you just afraid we'll all make fun of you if you admit you're getting it from nutjob websites?
You also stated that I had to post a link that you recognized as being acceptable by you. I won't bother because what you are saying is that you won't accept any link that doesn't agree with you. My "nutjob" websites will never meet your "nutjob" standards. Get real and research something that is more up to date than the 1970's.
The Earth was a very violent place at the onset. Wind storms is NOTHING. BTW, we are on our third kind of atmosphere. The moon is vital for the well being of the Earth. And the moon used to be part of the Earth.
At the onset the Earth and our solar system were a violent place and there was no life on Earth.
The magnetic field is vital for our survival.
At the equator, the circumference of the Earth is 40,070 kilometers, and the day is 24 hours long so the speed is 1670 kilometers/hour ( 1070 miles/hr). Do you know why you cannot tell folks like you cannot tell you are spinning at more than a 1000 miles per hour. The earth could spin at 3000 miles per hour and you would know, other than the day would be 8 hours long. Have you ever studied simple basic physics?
Yes I have and that is why I stated it cannot be 4 1/2 billion years old. Why not do some simple research?
My question is, why do these people believe the ignorant guess of one person back around 1640, to the accumulated knowledge of most scientists since then?
Since the Bible is not enough for you to see that God's word be true and every man a liar, then let's look at the sensibility of the evolution theory versus the Bible.
How old is the earth in according to science? By their dating method, they guessed the age of the earth; and I said guessed, because their dating method has been known to be wrong when testing stuff within the known history of the world like a living mollusks test dated 2,300 years old dead, mortar from an English castle less than 800 years old - tested at 7.370 years old, and "fresh" seal skins dated at 1.300 years old as per the C-14 dating samples.
So how reliable is that dating method now? But by their dating method, scientists only apply the dating results that "fit" approximately to the evolution theory. Any out of place artifact are catalogued in according to the evolution time table and not to the actual dating results when it does not "fit".
More proof is how there are mass graves of fossilized marine life with fossilized whale bones WITH fossilized animal life on mountaintops at various places in South & Latin America, Northwestern Africa, Turkey, & China, but news articles will only present the findings in respect to the evolution theory as per this one example at the link below as if there are no other mass graves of such fossilized findings elsewhere in the world.
Now get this: one other "evolutionary" report will testify to how marine life will have less reception from solar radiation in the dating method than those creatures on the land because of the sediment and thereby date their burial as at a separate timetable in respect to the evolution theory, BUT they forget the reality of life in that marine life would receive less solar radiation than land creatures because of the water they live in as water serves as a cover; a sediment that would explain why their fossilized bones had less reception of solar radiation than any land creature. Whethor they purposefully forget or overlooked that is hardly offensible when they are applying their findings to fit the evolution theory.
They refuse to answer how & why fossilized animal bones can be found with these fossilized marine life on mountaintops when it is not in their normal terrain to be found as living in. They also refuse to combine other such findings of mass graves of fossilized marine life & animal life at other places in the world like in respect to this article at the link above.
When combined and looking at the evidence without respect to the evolution theory, one can plainly see the evidence of the Biblical global flood of Noah's time.
When "science" involves the evolution theory, the so-called accumulated "knowledge" of most scientists is actually the accumulated "guesswork" of most scientists since the evolution theory has never been proven. It is a cult running amok in the field of science and the evolution theory is a science falsely so called.
By the laws of science; the 1st & 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics and the Law of Biogenesis; if you really look at it without the evolutionists rewriting it and watering it down so as to make the laws as not laws, but bendable and thus theoritical and the evolution theory as not a theory but a law over them, the Lord may help you to see that the evolution theory is a lie in science and God's words are true.
Religion was blamed for hindering the truths in science in the past, but evil men as athiests are to blame for hindering the truths in science now.
1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
You want validation from Jesus that the scripture cannot be broken and thus is true?
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
False prophets were to be stoned to death in the OT when found running against scripture & God, and so there is no margin for private interpretation.
Deuteronomy 13:4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
With Jesus validating scripture is the reason why some believers take His words over man's.
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
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Since the Bible is not enough for you to see that God's word be true and every man a liar, then let's look at the sensibility of the evolution theory versus the Bible.
How old is the earth in according to science? By their dating method, they guessed the age of the earth; and I said guessed, because their dating method has been known to be wrong when testing stuff within the known history of the world like a living mollusks test dated 2,300 years old dead, mortar from an English castle less than 800 years old - tested at 7.370 years old, and "fresh" seal skins dated at 1.300 years old as per the C-14 dating samples.
So how reliable is that dating method now? But by their dating method, scientists only apply the dating results that "fit" approximately to the evolution theory. Any out of place artifact are catalogued in according to the evolution time table and not to the actual dating results when it does not "fit".
More proof is how there are mass graves of fossilized marine life with fossilized whale bones WITH fossilized animal life on mountaintops at various places in South & Latin America, Northwestern Africa, Turkey, & China, but news articles will only present the findings in respect to the evolution theory as per this one example at the link below as if there are no other mass graves of such fossilized findings elsewhere in the world.
Now get this: one other "evolutionary" report will testify to how marine life will have less reception from solar radiation in the dating method than those creatures on the land because of the sediment and thereby date their burial as at a separate timetable in respect to the evolution theory, BUT they forget the reality of life in that marine life would receive less solar radiation than land creatures because of the water they live in as water serves as a cover; a sediment that would explain why their fossilized bones had less reception of solar radiation than any land creature. Whethor they purposefully forget or overlooked that is hardly offensible when they are applying their findings to fit the evolution theory.
They refuse to answer how & why fossilized animal bones can be found with these fossilized marine life on mountaintops when it is not in their normal terrain to be found as living in. They also refuse to combine other such findings of mass graves of fossilized marine life & animal life at other places in the world like in respect to this article at the link above.
The article that you quote states:
Among the fossils the scientists reported bringing back were the bones of whales and other marine animals found at altitudes of more than 5,000 feet. When these animals died from 15 million to 20 million years ago, their carcasses settled to the ocean floor and were embedded in submarine sediments. But since then, the violent upthrusting of the Andean chain has carried the sediments to the tops of mountains. In geological terms, the time the fossils took to rise from ocean floor to mountain top was relatively brief.
See the bold part: 20 million years ago is much more than 6000 years ago.
Among the fossils the scientists reported bringing back were the bones of whales and other marine animals found at altitudes of more than 5,000 feet. When these animals died from 15 million to 20 million years ago, their carcasses settled to the ocean floor and were embedded in submarine sediments. But since then, the violent upthrusting of the Andean chain has carried the sediments to the tops of mountains. In geological terms, the time the fossils took to rise from ocean floor to mountain top was relatively brief.
See the bold part: 20 million years ago is much more than 6000 years ago.
Unfortunately, you are still reading that article as if they have proven the age when they are only offering a speculation based on their respect towards the evolution theory.
You need to read my former post again as I have given proof of the errors of their dating method within our known historical life time that it cannot possibly have reliable verified dating results past our known historical frame of reference.
Actually we get the idea of a round earth directly from a study of the Bible:
In Isaiah, he says this scripture:
Do you not know? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood since the earth was founded? He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (Isaiah 40:21-22)
So Isaiah clearly calls the Earth a “circle.” This clearly shows that he had a round idea of the Earth. This is interesting for a couple of reasons.
First of all, he says God sits above the “circle” of the Earth. Circle can mean “spherical, round, etc.” So he is clearly calling it something round.
Secondly, this blows away the arguments by the skeptics that the Prophets thought the Earth has “corners.” Hint: A circle doesn’t have a corner. Therefore, why would a man well versed in the scriptures of God call the Earth a circle if he believed it to be a flat cornered piece of land? He wouldn’t! So obviously he believed the Earth was circular in nature.
Isaiah oddly uses the term circle, and it is odd that anyone would describe the earth that way unless they actually supposed it was circular in nature. Scripture # 2: Job Says the Earth is Hung on Nothing
Job writes in a heavily poetic style, yet something incredibly shocking comes out of his writing:
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.(Job 26:7)
Even though Job is accused of suggesting a “flat earth,” it is rather shocking that he makes this statement, which even in a poetic context, leaves little to interpretation. Here, he clearly says the Earth “hangs on nothing.” That is exactly what earth does! It hangs on nothing. It is sustained by the gravitational force, and nothing more!
This is pretty significant considering at this point in time they didn’t have the luxury of satellite imagery, or modern science. I find it hard to believe that Job merely “guessed it.”
This also contradicts the idea that Job believed the Earth had a “foundation.” In Genesis, nothing of a foundation, or flat area is mentioned in the scriptures. The Bible is extraordinarily accurate in the description of the Earth (the one land mass, hanging on nothing, being spherical, etc.). Scripture # 3- Proverbs Describes a Circular Earth
Proverbs says this interesting scripture:
When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep,(Proverbs 8:27)
Once again, we see a reference to the Earth being ‘circular’ in nature. Not only does this contradict the claim of “4 corners” (which was obviously symbolic), but it also proves the consistent thinking of a spherical earth. Scripture # 4- Jesus Talks of Both Night and Day within the Same Period
Jesus says this concerning the “coming:”
On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything.Remember Lot’s wife!Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. (Luke 17:31-34)
This verse is interesting because Jesus begins this with a very specific time frame: 1 day. He also says this all takes place in an instant. So it occurs in 1 day, and in an instant. Yet, Jesus’ description is of both day and night.
Therefore, it is clear to see from the context and phrasing that Jesus is suggesting that in one instant it can be both light and dark on the Earth. This is absolutely true. This is due to Earth spherical shape and rotation.
So this verse is very interesting as the phrasing implies it can be both day and night within 1 period of time on Earth, and it is true. Conclusion: The Bible Never Says the Earth is Flat, and Makes Many References to it Being Spherical
Never does the Bible come out and say, “The earth is flat, and the sun revolves around it.” However, there are various scripture which do indicate a spherical Earth.
While some verses are ripped out of context (mostly poems), and touted to show that the Bible says the Earth is flat, those individuals are either liars, or fools (take your pick). They are fools if they honestly believe the Bible is making that claim after examining the scriptural context, and they are liars if they already know it and claim a flat Earth any way.
On the contrary, what we see is a circular or spherical description of the Earth (even by many of the same authors that are alleged to suggest a flat 4-cornered Earth). There is no reason at all to discount the Bible.
There is no reason at all to suggest the Bible is scientifically inaccurate. There is no reason at all to suggest the Bible indicates a flat earth. There is no reason at all to scoff at the Bible. You don’t have to follow the Bible, but you certainly cannot disprove it. It has already been tried for centuries, and cannot (and will not) be shaken.
The Bible stands just as strong today as it did thousands of years ago. You cannot disprove its authority, you cannot deny its words of wisdom.
The Land Bridge is being debunked. It has been discovered that were there ever any frozen ice across the Bearing Strait, it melted over a thousand years before the original claim. Modern DNA studies have also concluded that the American Indians have no Mongolian or Asian blood whatsoever.
Perhaps you should commit yourself to some more recent studies?
This is the last I have to say on this topic. The whole argument is made by people using their English translations and then projecting a misinterpretation of those English words as truth. If they couldnt mistranslate the bible in order to justify what science has proven, they would stlll be flat earthers. In other words, they have to twist and turn to reconcile the bible to basic science.
So, all you folks who are claiming that the bible proves the ancient Hebrews believe in a spherical earth, answer me this:
The koine dictionary contains words both for "circle" and "sphere". Why do you suppose that the scholars who translated the Hebrew into the koine of the Septuagint used the word for circle and not the word for sphere? Sloppiness? Or truthful ACCURATE translation from the original language and meaning?
Your English translation is correct, using the English word "circle" for the original Greek.
Now it is up to you to prove, going back to the original Hebrew and Greek, that your interpretation from your English translations is accurate based upon the original language. It is up to you to prove from a study of the original language that a circle is a sphere.
As for the rest of your nonsense, I cant help you. Enroll in some night courses in you local community colleges and study geology, physics, anthropology, and learn how things like radioactive dating works, and how the earth changes over time and one more reason science establishes that the earth is older than 6000 years.
Since the Bible is not enough for you to see that God's word be true and every man a liar, then let's look at the sensibility of the evolution theory versus the Bible.
How old is the earth in according to science? By their dating method, they guessed the age of the earth; and I said guessed, because their dating method has been known to be wrong when testing stuff within the known history of the world like a living mollusks test dated 2,300 years old dead, mortar from an English castle less than 800 years old - tested at 7.370 years old, and "fresh" seal skins dated at 1.300 years old as per the C-14 dating samples.
So how reliable is that dating method now? But by their dating method, scientists only apply the dating results that "fit" approximately to the evolution theory. Any out of place artifact are catalogued in according to the evolution time table and not to the actual dating results when it does not "fit".
More proof is how there are mass graves of fossilized marine life with fossilized whale bones WITH fossilized animal life on mountaintops at various places in South & Latin America, Northwestern Africa, Turkey, & China, but news articles will only present the findings in respect to the evolution theory as per this one example at the link below as if there are no other mass graves of such fossilized findings elsewhere in the world.
Now get this: one other "evolutionary" report will testify to how marine life will have less reception from solar radiation in the dating method than those creatures on the land because of the sediment and thereby date their burial as at a separate timetable in respect to the evolution theory, BUT they forget the reality of life in that marine life would receive less solar radiation than land creatures because of the water they live in as water serves as a cover; a sediment that would explain why their fossilized bones had less reception of solar radiation than any land creature. Whethor they purposefully forget or overlooked that is hardly offensible when they are applying their findings to fit the evolution theory.
They refuse to answer how & why fossilized animal bones can be found with these fossilized marine life on mountaintops when it is not in their normal terrain to be found as living in. They also refuse to combine other such findings of mass graves of fossilized marine life & animal life at other places in the world like in respect to this article at the link above.
When combined and looking at the evidence without respect to the evolution theory, one can plainly see the evidence of the Biblical global flood of Noah's time.
When "science" involves the evolution theory, the so-called accumulated "knowledge" of most scientists is actually the accumulated "guesswork" of most scientists since the evolution theory has never been proven. It is a cult running amok in the field of science and the evolution theory is a science falsely so called.
By the laws of science; the 1st & 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics and the Law of Biogenesis; if you really look at it without the evolutionists rewriting it and watering it down so as to make the laws as not laws, but bendable and thus theoritical and the evolution theory as not a theory but a law over them, the Lord may help you to see that the evolution theory is a lie in science and God's words are true.
Religion was blamed for hindering the truths in science in the past, but evil men as athiests are to blame for hindering the truths in science now.
1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
You want validation from Jesus that the scripture cannot be broken and thus is true?
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
False prophets were to be stoned to death in the OT when found running against scripture & God, and so there is no margin for private interpretation.
Deuteronomy 13:4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
With Jesus validating scripture is the reason why some believers take His words over man's.
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
You also stated that I had to post a link that you recognized as being acceptable by you. I won't bother because what you are saying is that you won't accept any link that doesn't agree with you. My "nutjob" websites will never meet your "nutjob" standards.
So since you refuse to provide any source at all, I'll mark that one down as, "Yes, I made it all up."
You're the one making fantastical claims that some of the most basic and widely accepted principles of modern science are false, and that basically everything science has taught us is not only wrong but impossible, so I think it's up to you to explain why - to defend what you're claiming to be true. If you don't want to present any evidence, fine. That's your business. I'll just assume you made it all up yourself.
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Originally Posted by the_human_being
Get real and research something that is more up to date than the 1970's.
Says the guy citing tribal fables thousands of years old in a discussion about contemporary science....
You know, this is a perfect example of why so many of us non-Christians want any and all kinds of Christian influence kept as far away from our government and especially our education system as we can possibly get it. Yes, we know that this isn't representative of all Christians, and in fact not even most of y'all - but this is the kind of thing that Christian activists are constantly trying to ram down our throats and force our children to be taught in public schools. You want to believe something this ludicrous, go ahead and believe it if that's what makes you happy. Just keep it the hell out of our lives.
So since you refuse to provide any source at all, I'll mark that one down as, "Yes, I made it all up."
You're the one making fantastical claims that some of the most basic and widely accepted principles of modern science are false, and that basically everything science has taught us is not only wrong but impossible, so I think it's up to you to explain why - to defend what you're claiming to be true. If you don't want to present any evidence, fine. That's your business. I'll just assume you made it all up yourself.
Says the guy citing tribal fables thousands of years old in a discussion about contemporary science....
You know, this is a perfect example of why so many of us non-Christians want any and all kinds of Christian influence kept as far away from our government and especially our education system as we can possibly get it. Yes, we know that this isn't representative of all Christians, and in fact not even most of y'all - but this is the kind of thing that Christian activists are constantly trying to ram down our throats and force our children to be taught in public schools. You want to believe something this ludicrous, go ahead and believe it if that's what makes you happy. Just keep it the hell out of our lives.
Right. You are a self-admitted apostate. You are atheist. You already have made up your mind that there is no God and that the Bible is a book of fables. Your "science" is junk science, totally based on unproven and unobserved theory. As far as the "circle" spoken of in Isaiah, Chuckman answered it thoroughly in Post 117 above. Here's a link on thermodynamics which you will also discredit:
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