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So....you believe she is the mother of his divine nature?
What I believe is a moot point. I am a Catholic because that is my cultural heritage. In this tradition Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Whether that is true or not is a moot point. I will remain a Catholic because that is part of whom I am.
Religion is religion in in religion anything goes.
What I believe is a moot point. I am a Catholic because that is my cultural heritage. In this tradition Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Whether that is true or not is a moot point. I will remain a Catholic because that is part of whom I am.
Religion is religion in in religion anything goes.
I don't dispute she is Jesus' mother. That was never a question.
But you stated that she is the mother of God. I would like to hear your answer to the question of her being the mother to his divine nature. Do you believe she is? Or are you afraid to answer?
I don't dispute she is Jesus' mother. That was never a question.
But you stated that she is the mother of God. I would like to hear your answer to the question of her being the mother to his divine nature. Do you believe she is? Or are you afraid to answer?
That specific language is used to distinguish the Catholic belief from Nestorianism, in which the two natures of Jesus are distinct. Nestorianism claimed that Mary was the mother of a human child into which a divine nature was later installed. It was the human nature that suffered and died on the cross, but the divine one had already left. In Nestorianism Mary was only the mother of the human Jesus, not the divine one.
The Catholic view is that Jesus was/is one single person possessing two complete natures right from conception. Mary supplied the human nature (*) and God supplied the divine nature, which was the Second Person of the Trinity. These two natures were/are inseparable. Jesus is totally human and totally divine.
To say that Mary was the mother of Jesus, while entirely true, can cause confusion about who the living Jesus was. He was and is a human being who was and is also God the Son. To say that Mary is the Mother of God is to recognize the distinction from Nestorianism. (And a bunch of other 'heresies' as well)
(*) with a little chromosome manipulation by the Holy Spirit
RC believes the BVM is the Mother of God, theres no language or fancy thinking about one of the understood Joyful Mysteries ( Annunciation , as per words in the prayer, in keeping with scripture including canticles). Meditated on for one of the decades of the Rosary within the Joyful Mystery's, which are allocated to certain days of the week and I think feast days. The BVM in the RC belief system is understood to be of an Immaculate Conception and the full Mother of God, the whole of christianity a mystery itself and called by some saints the miracle of miracles. Also remarked by some saints, god could of made a greater world, a greater heaven but could not exalt a creature more then by making her His Mother.
Last edited by Sophronius; 11-01-2014 at 06:19 PM..
Yes, there have a number of Mary legends throughout history.
A very popular one is the Lady of Guadalupe story with the feast day of 12 Dec. But the story is flawed. See the Guadalupe-fact or fiction thread on this list.
Whether it's "flawed" or not, ( and I don't personally think it is but to each his own), it serves the purpose of bringing attention to Jesus and salvation, and that is all that really matters.
I don't dispute she is Jesus' mother. That was never a question.
But you stated that she is the mother of God. I would like to hear your answer to the question of her being the mother to his divine nature. Do you believe she is? Or are you afraid to answer?
Come on Vizio, you're a better man that that.
Jesus is God.
Mary was the vessel through which God entered the world in human form - his mother.
Ergo we call her "the Mother of God", but no one really believes His divine nature came from his human mother.
What I believe is a moot point. I am a Catholic because that is my cultural heritage. In this tradition Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Whether that is true or not is a moot point. I will remain a Catholic because that is part of whom I am.
Religion is religion in in religion anything goes.
I will consider rejoining the Catholic Church, the religion of my youth, because Pope Francis declared that everybody goes to heaven, even atheists. And yes, even deists.
Whether it's "flawed" or not, ( and I don't personally think it is but to each his own), it serves the purpose of bringing attention to Jesus and salvation, and that is all that really matters.
RESPONSE:
The Guadalupe story made it easier for the Spanish conquerors to control the the indigenous Mexican natives. Do you personally think that it is acceptable to use religion or religious hoax to control people?
Historiography of the Apparition of Guadalupe, Chapter 12, Daniel J. Castellano (2013) (on the web)
I don't dispute she is Jesus' mother. That was never a question.
But you stated that she is the mother of God. I would like to hear your answer to the question of her being the mother to his divine nature. Do you believe she is? Or are you afraid to answer?
It seems you do not believe in the Trinity.
I suggest you study the diagram.
Are you sure you were once a Catholic?
The Trinity is quite Catholic and not easy to find in the Bible. If you are now a Sola Scriptura person I get your position and you do not have to accept the Catholic view.
Ergo we call her "the Mother of God", but no one really believes His divine nature came from his human mother.
The Catholic Church haters love to play ignorance, but they know what they are doing.
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