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Old 01-26-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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How Dark Were the Dark Ages? - Prager University

Prager university is very interesting.
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Old 01-26-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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interesting. IMHO, don't think this is either the first college course or teacher, or writer to bring this out but it's always good to continue to repeat and reinforce the concept that despite plagues, invasions, wars, and other hostile influences and events both internal and external in western Europe, people and society were still trying to do their best to make sense and use of their world---just like today. the art and science of Greco-Roman antiquity and the advances in art and architecture and philosophy of the "high" middle ages (and the eventual "renaissance" and even the "enlightenment" ) didn't spring from sheer nothingness and the foundations these (mostly) great and beneficial things were built on or were at least preserved (and sometimes enhanced) in that period once called "dark". and yes, since this is a forum concerned with Christianity, one can point to the Christian Church as the major force for preserving and nurturing those foundations of philosophy, art, and science---there were few other entities that had the resources or interest to preserve and ultimately spread the various intellectual and artistic treasures of earlier times in any manner, shape or form on a comparatively large scale except thru the monasteries, church schools and libraries, and ultimately the first universities founded and sustained by the Church (western and eastern) in those sometimes terrible times. if the Christian Church (and the society it was a part of) was sometimes mistaken in what or how it preserved and transmitted both old and new science and philosophy or If sometimes it seemed to actively try to suppress elements of those things can we think of any modern secular or religious institutions or individuals that could or would have DEFINITELY done better in the same trying circumstances with the same comparatively limited resources over the same long period of both time and space?

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Old 01-26-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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How Dark Were the Dark Ages? - Prager University

Prager university is very interesting.
Not truly dark. The Catholic Church was the greatest institution regarding the advancement of Western Civilization.
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Old 01-26-2015, 10:45 PM
 
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Not truly dark. The Catholic Church was the greatest institution regarding the advancement of Western Civilization.
From my class in Church history I learned the Church went through a rough time. During the plague years many really good Church men and women died since they were the ones who put their lives on the line nursing the sick, as the scriptures instructs us to do. What was left were not so good priests, etc and many fell into error. A lot of the good religious people were gone. Not sure how many generations had to suffer under the poor teachers but most of the books, etc were kept from ruin and preserved until good men could teach from them again.

We have that today when wars break out. Just look how many men were killed in WWI and II. So many women couldn't marry and start families when so many men had been killed. Europe suffered more than our country. That may be the reason our country had thrived so well, we never had to rebuild after the war.
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Old 01-27-2015, 12:09 AM
 
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well, if you are specifically refering to the period of the "black death" for example no doubt both church and secular society suffered a dirth of "qualified" people which no doubt caused various serious problems and errors. an apologist for the medieval church would say that then (and many other times thruout history) all sorts of people ended up by word and deed not living up to their responsibilities as pastors for their various flocks BUT that their personal errors were never supported by the offiical teaching authority of the Church so that while individuals great and small may have errored by accident or design the Church itself did not teach doctrines contrary to those taught by it's Founder (that said, no doubt many folks would maintain otherwise). nevertheless, as you mentioned despite suffering and destruction both external and internal the Church somehow preserved the books and a case could be made that it also preserved the vital essence of the Christian faith that many of the books were all about and saved over centuries for in the first place.
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Old 01-27-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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A World Lit Only by Fire by William Manchester is an excellent source of information on this subject. Based on what I read in there, I'd say the Dark Ages were incredibly dark.
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Old 01-27-2015, 10:23 AM
 
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A World Lit Only by Fire by William Manchester is an excellent source of information on this subject. Based on what I read in there, I'd say the Dark Ages were incredibly dark.
Do you believe that there were Christians on earth during the Dark Ages?
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Old 01-27-2015, 10:39 AM
 
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Do you believe that there were Christians on earth during the Dark Ages?
Yes, without a doubt. I'm sure that some of the greatest Christians who ever lived were on the earth during this difficult and challenging time.
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Old 01-27-2015, 10:44 AM
 
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A World Lit Only by Fire by William Manchester is an excellent source of information on this subject.
Thanks for the recommendation. Manchester is a gifted writer and puts huge amounts of research into his work. That's going on my list.
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Old 01-27-2015, 11:13 AM
 
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People interested in the topic may find this book informative

How the Irish Saved Civilization: Thomas Cahill: 9780385418492: Books - Amazon.ca

It has been a few years since I have read it, perhaps time to take it out again.
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