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Not a theory. Before salvation no one is righteous in God's sight. We are all born with a fallen nature as a result of Adam's original sin, and spiritually dead. (Gen. 2:17; Rom. 3:9-18; Rom.5:12-19; Eph. 2:1).
And therefore Jesus came into the world by means of a virgin birth in order to avoid being born with an old sin nature and under the penalty of Adam's sin.
It says he was brought forth IN iniquity, not WITH iniquity...And the second part of that verse is speaking of HOW his mother conceived him...You see it the way someone TAUGHT you...Not the way it actually is...
David certainly viewed himself as a sinner living in a sinful world, but those verses do not speak of his own sin, but the nature of the people who gave him birth and raised him. There is no penalty for Adam's sin but TO Adam and Adam would not have sinned if he were not capable of it (self evident), and that reason given for virgin birth plays to a corrupt perception of our nature and that of our relationship with God. (Known as "Reformed Theology)
While that is your opinion it is not the belief of most theologians and it is not teaching of the Bible. The simple fact of the matter is that Paul tells us in Romans 5:18 that ONE transgression resulted in the condemnation of all men. We are not condemned by our own personal sins, but as Paul stated, by Adam's transgression.
Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19] For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.
Paul plainly stated that it was by one man's (Adam's) trespass, that we were all made sinners. It was Adam's sin that led to condemnation for all men. We are not condemned on the basis of our personal sins, but on the basis of Adam's original sin. Now you might not like that, and you might not accept it, but that is what the Bible teaches. Our personal sins were never imputed to us for judgment but were instead imputed to Christ as He hung on the cross and paid the penalty for them in our place.
However, HaShem states that each man is responsible for his own sin...No one can die for another's sin...That is not opinion, that is biblical...So, who do we believe, HaShem or Paul?...
'All sinned' is past tense. Did you personally commit personal sin before you were ever born? Did you commit any personal sins at the time that Paul wrote Romans 5:12? No you did not. You didn't exist yet.
God views all mankind as participating in Adam's sin because the entire human race was seminally in Adam who was the representative man or federal head of the human race. All men were condemned because of Adam's sin. Not on the basis of their own personal sins. In Adam all die. We are born spiritually dead due to Adam's sin.
1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
But yet there are people in the OT that are considered righteous in the eyes of HaShem because they walked in the ways of HaShem always...
It says he was brought forth IN iniquity, not WITH iniquity...And the second part of that verse is speaking of HOW his mother conceived him...You see it the way someone TAUGHT you...Not the way it actually is...
However, HaShem states that each man is responsible for his own sin...No one can die for another's sin...That is not opinion, that is biblical...So, who do we believe, HaShem or Paul?...
No. What is Biblical is that Christ died for our sins. Since you acknowledge that Paul taught that Christ died for our sins then you acknowledge that it is Biblical.
But if you don't believe Paul then believe Peter.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
Christ (the righteous) suffered for our sins being put to death. That's substitution.
Believe the writer of Hebrews.
Heb. 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And believe John who recorded that the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders sang a song in which they mention the fact that Jesus purchased with His blood (a reference to His death on the cross) men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
Rev. 5:8 When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9] And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
Christ died for our sins. That's the gospel of our salvation. If you don't believe that Jesus died for our sins then you remain under condemnation and do not have eternal life.
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No. What is Biblical is that Christ died for our sins. Since you acknowledge that Paul taught that Christ died for our sins then you acknowledge that it is Biblical.
But if you don't believe Paul then believe Peter.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
Christ (the righteous) suffered for our sins being put to death. That's substitution.
And believe John who recorded that the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders sang a song in which they mention the fact that Jesus purchased with His blood (a reference to His death on the cross) men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
Rev. 5:8 When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9] And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
Mike when someone murders another, the family suffers for/or because the sins of that murder.
And that my friend is how Jesus suffer for/ or because of our sins
But yet there are people in the OT that are considered righteous in the eyes of HaShem because they walked in the ways of HaShem always...
In every dispensation of human history the means of salvation is the same. Faith in the Messiah. People were saved prior to the historical occurrence of the cross by looking forward to the coming Messiah who God had promised and were imputed with the righteousness of God because of their faith in God's promise..
Mike when someone murders another, the family suffers for/or because the sins of that murder.
And that my friend is how Jesus suffer for/ or because of our sins
It is clearly stated that Christ died for our sins. That He bore our sins in His own body on the cross. That He was made sin for us. That He redeemed us with His blood. Jesus died as our substitute.
Last edited by Michael Way; 03-27-2015 at 05:40 PM..
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