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Last time I checked, there ARE laws against murder, rape, child molestation, parking on the street on street cleaning day... I don't need religion to tell me not to rape my mother, dog or tree. I have internal morality and an aversion to harming others and doing gross things.
Now see, it would seem that everything is a given, that we should all know what is right or what is wrong, but that is obviously not the case and laws keep changing.
We had plenty laws against sodomy and so is that a given that it should be wrong?
I would say,'' Yes,'' it's a given that it is an unnatural, sexually immoral act that we should teach our children against.
Now see, it would seem that everything is a given, that we should all know what is right or what is wrong, but that is obviously not the case and laws keep changing.
We had plenty laws against sodomy and so is that a given that it should be wrong?
I would say,'' Yes,'' it's a given that it is an unnatural, sexually immoral act that we should teach our children against.
Common sense.
Or lack thereof. My personal "sodomy" is between my husband and me. Nobody gets killed, robbed, raped or beaten in the process. That it is "unnatural" is only your opinion. If you can't distinguish between two people in a loving, committed relationship and rape or molestation (anything with a victim), then I can't help you understand.
Apparently God is unhappy with fracking, because he's sending lots of earthquakes to OK and TX
I know right, I get so angry about that fracking business, I watched it everyday and got more angry, it set off Ok like a swarm that didn't stop and it's in Texas now, I heard it created a swarm by Yellowstone, and Lord knows we don't need another Yellowstone prophet, got a plate full it seems, lol.
Don't get me started.
I used to be one of those guys calling down the fire.
I know right, I get so angry about that fracking business, I watched it everyday and got more angry, it set off Ok like a swarm that didn't stop and it's in Texas now, I heard it created a swarm by Yellowstone, and Lord knows we don't need another Yellowstone prophet, got a plate full it seems, lol.
Don't get me started.
I used to be one of those guys calling down the fire.
Yellowstone may be the big red button used to end this whole mess! Or a meteor. Either way, something is going to wipe humans off this planet at some point.
Or lack thereof. My personal "sodomy" is between my husband and me. Nobody gets killed, robbed, raped or beaten in the process. That it is "unnatural" is only your opinion. If you can't distinguish between two people in a loving, committed relationship and rape or molestation (anything with a victim), then I can't help you understand.
LOL, I do not have an opinion Denverian, I live on facts, and that is by the word of God, I simply believe God, no offense, but I believe what the God of the bible believes and I have no other choice in the matter. I can understand if you don't believe in the God of the bible, but I do. I can't imagine a worse sinner than myself, and I am guilty of breaking so many laws, so many times, and I repent. But I will never try to imagine that God is wrong because there would be no God for me. I am not one of those people who claim that Gay people are going to hell, because I simply don't believe it.
It is the fact that people don't know the difference between the 3 sections of the Temple, and the Temple is only showing the design of the kingdom of heaven.
The Christians who tell the gays that they will in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven are usually in the exact same place as the gays they judge, they simply are not familiar with what they are discussing.
I doubt that I will make it in to the upper realm of the kingdom of heaven because I may go to the outer court myself. This doesn't mean that I am not saved, but the point is that I didn't reach the zoe abundant life.
The majority of Christians end up the same place that gay people go, and all those who commit sexual immoral acts, in the outer court, but when they speak of the kingdom of heaven, it is black and white to them because they don't know the design of the kingdom of heaven.
But we are shown the difference in many places where it says that people will enter the kingdom and seek to recline with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but that those people will then be escorted out into the outer court. The outer court is on the Temple grounds, but it is not a part of the temple proper, and to be standing in the outer court symbolizes the brazen alter of burnt sacrifice and you are there because you are saved by the sacrifice, but the court is the lower part and there is a gulf between the court and the temple proper.
But being that Christians are not familiar with the design and pattern of the Temple, they are not familiar with what we are taught is the kingdom of heaven.
MANY people come up to the marriage but MANY are escorted out because while they were saved, they had not reached or obtained the reward, and so they are in the same place as the sexual immoral.
The first Christians went out in seeking a better resurrection because they knew it was a race with a prize.....
Salvation and reward is not the same thing, and when a Christian tells a gay person that he is going to hell, chances are, the Christian and the gay are both saved and both going to the same place..
Here is another place showing the difference between salvation and reward, many people will be saved but suffer a loss because they will become ashes, but there are many who will stand in the flames, have salvation, AND REWARD.
1 Corinthians 3
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire
There are plenty other places to show the different levels in heaven, and there are plenty places showing the gay person in the same place as the Christian who loves to change the law.
It seems to me that if Christians learned the actual design of the kingdom of heaven, they wouldn't be so quick to tell a gay person that he was going to hell......
Jesus said you can not keep the laws and even teach others not to keep the laws but you would be the LEAST in the kingdom, BUT YOU ARE STILL THERE!
Yellowstone may be the big red button used to end this whole mess! Or a meteor. Either way, something is going to wipe humans off this planet at some point.
Nope.
ASV Psalm 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, And dwell therein for ever.
However you are correct a "rock" will hit the earth.
Daniel 2: 44 And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
ASV Psalm 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, And dwell therein for ever.
However you are correct a "rock" will hit the earth.
Daniel 2: 44 And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
God's Kingdom in His son.
Well, sure. If you believe in fables. But when you replace science and reality with fables/blind faith/dogma, well, you've got problems.
LOL, I do not have an opinion Denverian, I live on facts, and that is by the word of God, I simply believe God, no offense, but I believe what the God of the bible believes and I have no other choice in the matter. I can understand if you don't believe in the God of the bible, but I do. I can't imagine a worse sinner than myself, and I am guilty of breaking so many laws, so many times, and I repent. But I will never try to imagine that God is wrong because there would be no God for me. I am not one of those people who claim that Gay people are going to hell, because I simply don't believe it.
It is the fact that people don't know the difference between the 3 sections of the Temple, and the Temple is only showing the design of the kingdom of heaven.
The Christians who tell the gays that they will in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven are usually in the exact same place as the gays they judge, they simply are not familiar with what they are discussing.
I doubt that I will make it in to the upper realm of the kingdom of heaven because I may go to the outer court myself. This doesn't mean that I am not saved, but the point is that I didn't reach the zoe abundant life.
The majority of Christians end up the same place that gay people go, and all those who commit sexual immoral acts, in the outer court, but when they speak of the kingdom of heaven, it is black and white to them because they don't know the design of the kingdom of heaven.
But we are shown the difference in many places where it says that people will enter the kingdom and seek to recline with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but that those people will then be escorted out into the outer court. The outer court is on the Temple grounds, but it is not a part of the temple proper, and to be standing in the outer court symbolizes the brazen alter of burnt sacrifice and you are there because you are saved by the sacrifice, but the court is the lower part and there is a gulf between the court and the temple proper.
But being that Christians are not familiar with the design and pattern of the Temple, they are not familiar with what we are taught is the kingdom of heaven.
MANY people come up to the marriage but MANY are escorted out because while they were saved, they had not reached or obtained the reward, and so they are in the same place as the sexual immoral.
The first Christians went out in seeking a better resurrection because they knew it was a race with a prize.....
Salvation and reward is not the same thing, and when a Christian tells a gay person that he is going to hell, chances are, the Christian and the gay are both saved and both going to the same place..
Here is another place showing the difference between salvation and reward, many people will be saved but suffer a loss because they will become ashes, but there are many who will stand in the flames, have salvation, AND REWARD.
1 Corinthians 3
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire
There are plenty other places to show the different levels in heaven, and there are plenty places showing the gay person in the same place as the Christian who loves to change the law.
It seems to me that if Christians learned the actual design of the kingdom of heaven, they wouldn't be so quick to tell a gay person that he was going to hell......
Jesus said you can not keep the laws and even teach others not to keep the laws but you would be the LEAST in the kingdom, BUT YOU ARE STILL THERE!
I won't even try and guess what happens to anyone after they die. I have no proof of anything, and have no concern since there is no proof other than blind faith and reliance on a book of fables. Sure there are great themes in the Bible, but I'll never in a million years understand how anyone can take it literally. So many things in the Bible completely defy science and rational thought.
Doesn't matter what you have been over, you cast out God's list and nothing is unrighteous for you, you don't have a list. You want to pick and choose what you want and in doing so, you throw the entire law out the window and you have no law, you are a law unto yourself. That's why I keep asking for the list of definition for sin. You take God's out, and you don't leave us with anything.
Murder is ok with you because you have no law, or do you?
See my point?
Where is the list of immoral sin?
WHERE?
You prove God wrong, and yet you leave no new list, if God is wrong and you prove him wrong, then let us have your word, your list, or is everything ok?
I guess everything is ok with you?
There is no difference between righteousness and unrighteousness, or would you care to show us?
Well, really it is your diatribe against gays that has led to murder---and a number of those committing those murders use the "god made me do it". Defense.
God didn't tell YOU what is His list of sins. As I pointed out previously Leviticus clearly state marrying one' sister is wrong. But Abraham did it. And the as me chapter states a man cannot marry two sisters. But Jacob married Leah and Rachel.
Yo tried to spin a story about when scripture was written, but that in no way relieves God from having " changed" His mind.
But it makes perfect sense if human understanding of God changed. It changed regarding slavery and it changed (or is in the process of changing) with regard to equal rights for women. Now you have made up stories to explain why women are no longer chattel. But that is YOUR story, it is not clear at all from Bible verses alone. You make up stories to make those difficult situations "fit" the way you want it to fit.
That's much harder to do when you find a committed homosexual like denverian. He's not unhappy, he has been in the same relationship for 19 years ( I think), and you are having trouble telling him he is going to hell---because that isn't necessarily so. It is people who are claiming OTHERS are going to hell that are going there first. And he's raising kids as well.
God called each of us to look at our own sins, not make up a list for others. Which of the sins on your list are too big for Christ to handle? The unpardonable sin? The Bible is in no way clear what that is---and theologians and preachers argue over it constantly.
The only unpardonable sin is your failure to love and forgive others. For that, there is no redemption.
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