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Old 11-27-2015, 01:18 AM
 
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THURSDAY EDITION – Big Pulpit


Interesting tape from Taylor Marshall.
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Old 11-27-2015, 08:26 AM
 
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THURSDAY EDITION – Big Pulpit


Interesting tape from Taylor Marshall.
No wonder humanity is so screwed up if they believe this crap..


Native Americans Respond to Thanksgiving
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Old 11-27-2015, 08:42 AM
 
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No wonder humanity is so screwed up if they believe this crap..
What facts about Squanto's life do you disagree with and what are your sources? Or is calling it 'crap' the extent of your debating skills?
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Old 11-27-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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What facts about Squanto's life do you disagree with and what are your sources? Or is calling it 'crap' the extent of your debating skills?
The conversion, the feeding of pilgrims (Squanto was to the ONLY person there) and the out right PEACE AND LOVE that white people claim was shown towards Native Americans.

That leads to my commentary of C R A P because it is more polite that calling Marshall out for being a LIAR.





Tisquantum, who we know as "Squanto," was an amazing man. American schoolchildren are taught that he was a simple Indian who befriended the Pilgrims, but in fact he was nothing of the sort. Tisquantum was captured and enslaved, and taken to Europe, where he learned English and European ways.

After his first enslavement and return to America, he was captured and enslaved again, to be sold in Spain. He was rescued by some Spanish friars who took control of the slaves and tried to convert them to Christianity. After four years and at least one aborted journey, Tisquantum made his way back to America, only to discover that his entire family and village, everyone he knew, had been killed by a plague, probably smallpox.

The Lie Called Thanksgiving, and Squanto's True Heroism
Thanksgiving? It's complete historical bulls**t.





The Pilgrims came here to establish a New World theocracy, a religiously oriented society that would reflect their religious fervor which was also anti-Catholic.

The True Story of Thanksgiving: Squanto, the Pilgrims, and the Pope




In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.

THE REAL STORY OF THANKSGIVING


Seems the Puritan even rejected CHRISTMAS as a celebration.
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Old 11-27-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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The conversion, the feeding of pilgrims (Squanto was to the ONLY person there) and the out right PEACE AND LOVE that white people claim was shown towards Native Americans.

That leads to my commentary of C R A P because it is more polite that calling Marshall pout for being a LIAR.



The Lie Called Thanksgiving, and Squanto's True Heroism
Thanksgiving? It's complete historical bulls**t.



The True Story of Thanksgiving: Squanto, the Pilgrims, and the Pope



THE REAL STORY OF THANKSGIVING

Those are your sources? Sad... I don't know, when I went to college, we had to have credible sources, not opinion pieces.
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Old 11-27-2015, 09:12 AM
 
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Those are your sources? Sad... I don't know, when I went to college, we had to have credible sources, not opinion pieces.


FOOTNOTES FOR TEACHER INTRODUCTION
(1) See Berkhofer, Jr., R.F., "The White Man's Indian," references to Puritans, pp. 27, 80-85, 90, 104, & 130.

(2) See Berkhofer, Jr., R.F., "The White Man's Indian," references to frontier concepts of savagery in index. Also see Jennings, Francis, "The Invasion of America," the myth of savagery, pp. 6-12, 15-16, & 109-110.

(3) See Blitzer, Charles, "Age of Kings," Great Ages of Man series, references to Puritanism, pp. 141, 144 & 145-46. Also see Jennings, Francis, "The Invasion of America," references to Puritan human motives, pp. 4-6, 43- 44 and 53.

(4) See "Chronicles of American Indian Protest," pp. 6-10. Also see Armstrong, Virginia I., "I Have Spoken," reference to Cannonchet and his village, p. 6. Also see Jennings, Francis, "The Invasion of America," Chapter 9 "Savage War," Chapter 13 "We must Burn Them," and Chapter 17 "Outrage Bloody and Barbarous."

(5) See "Chronicles of American Indian Protest," pp. 6-9. Also see Berkhofer, Jr., R.F., "The White Man's Indian," the comments of Cotton Mather, pp. 37 & 82-83.

(6) See Larsen, Charles M., "The Real Thanksgiving," pp. 3-4. Also see Graff, Steward and Polly Ann, "Squanto, Indian Adventurer." Also see "Handbook of North American Indians," Vol. 15, the reference to Squanto on p. 82.

(7) See Benton-Banai, Edward, "The Mishomis Book," as a reference on general "Anishinabe" (the Algonkin speaking peoples) religious beliefs and practices. Also see Larsen, Charles M., "The Real Thanksgiving," reference to religious life on p. 1.

(8) See Graff, Stewart and Polly Ann, "Squanto, Indian Adventurer." Also see Larsen, Charles M., "The Real Thanksgiving." Also see Bradford, Sir William, "Of Plymouth Plantation," and "Mourt's Relation."

(9) See Larsen, Charles M., "The Real Thanksgiving," the letter of Edward Winslow dated 1622, pp. 5-6.

(10) See "Handbook of North American Indians," Vol. 15, pp. 177-78. Also see "Chronicles of American Indian Protest," p. 9, the reference to the enslavement of King Philip's family. Also see Larsen, Charles, M., "The Real Thanksgiving," pp. 8-11, "Destruction of the Massachusetts Indians."

(11) Best current estimate of the first entry of people into the Americas confirmed by archaeological evidence that is datable.



Other sources are hyper-linked in the articles.
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Old 11-27-2015, 09:14 AM
 
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Those are your sources? Sad... I don't know, when I went to college, we had to have credible sources, not opinion pieces.
Unlike Marshall who had ZERO sources?? ROFLMAO Bat those too dense to understand.
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Old 11-27-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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If you have the time, this is a very good breakdown of this historical era of Squanto, by Charles C. Mann:

Native Intelligence
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Old 11-28-2015, 02:28 AM
 
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Well if you believed the History channel telling of the first Thanksgiving you would believe the Indians and white people became friends after one tribe of Indians convinced the white people to go with them to kill a neighboring tribe they hated.


After the Pilgrims went with the Indians to slaughter all the Indians of the other tribe, and that included women and children, they decided to help the Pilgrims and they celebrated the first harvest. The Pilgrims had rifles and that was a good killing machine.


I think I will believe a tamer version of why the two became friends.
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Old 11-28-2015, 03:18 AM
 
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I find it sad that native Americans today are still challenged by the history of their past , where they would be offended by a Thanksgiving day celebration ...... Maybe if America would repent of their past , then Jesus would lift these demonic forces off the land and natives and even the blacks and other groups who are offended by the culture would have peace on their lives and not be offended
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