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Or maybe HaSatan is what the Jews say He is, an Angel of G-d that works for G-d...
He is an angel and did work for God. Then he turned against God. Just because some Jews say something, does not make it correct in all the details. They did say Jesus blasphemed and they got that wrong.
And Jehovah (cf. Jove) Elohim planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
And out of the ground made the Jehovah Elohim to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food;
the tree of life also in the middle of the garden.
And the woman said unto the serpent, `Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we do eat,
But of the fruit of the tree (of life) which is in the middle of the garden, Elohim has said,
"Ye shall eat of it not; ye shall die"
And the serpent (named "Good and evil") said unto the woman,
"Ye shall eat of it; not ye shall die"
For God does know that in the day you eat thereof your eyes shall be opened,
and you shall become like Elohim.
Knowing good and evil, the woman saw that the tree (of life) was good for food,
and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise,
she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat.
And Jehovah Elohim said to the woman, `What [is] this you have done?'
and the woman said, `The (sneaky) snake snaked me -- and I did eat
And to the man He said, `Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife,
and dost eat of the tree (of life) concerning which I have charged thee, saying,
"Thou dost not eat of it, cursed [to] the Adamah in your crossing"
in sorrow thou dost eat of it (the tree of life) all days of thy life,
and thorn and bramble it doth bring forth to thee, and thou hast eaten the herb of the field;
by the sweat of thy face thou dost eat bread until thy turning to the Adamah,
for from it you take (name) for a cast out you [are], and unto the cast out you shall turn.'
And YHWH God saith, `Lo, the man became as one of Us to know good and evil;
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take indeed of the tree of life, and eat and live (among thorns) to eternity,'
--YHWH God sendeth him forth from the garden of Eden to serve the Adamah which he take from name
The Catechism of the Council of Trent:
Lastly, He formed man from the slime of the earth, so created and constituted in body as to be immortal and impassible, not, however, by the strength of nature, but by the bounty of God. Man's soul He created to His own image and likeness; gifted him with free will, and tempered all his motions and appetites so as to subject them, at all times, to the dictates of reason. He then added the admirable gift of original righteousness, and next gave him dominion over all other animals.
He was not created immortal...Nowhere does it ztate this...It is just an assumption...Besides, different Rabbis have different views...And I was a stain for over 30 years...
The Bible says Christ is the first to be immortal. I agree with you Richard1965.
The Bible says Christ is the first to be immortal. I agree with you Richard1965.
Christ was the first to defeat death, not the first man to be immortal.
But Christ is God-Man, so He was first of all things.
Adam and Eve weren't immortal for long. They blew it and then Christ
made it possible for us to reconcile back to the immortal condition.
He is an angel and did work for God. Then he turned against God. Just because some Jews say something, does not make it correct in all the details. They did say Jesus blasphemed and they got that wrong.
Oh, so the Jews are wrong about Satan, you know, the religion that you got the idea from and personified it...
I am curious though, if death was already in Adam before eating, then why would God warn him that should he eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that in the day he eats of it "to die shall you be dying." It wasn't a spiritual death because God describes the death in that Adam would work by the sweat of his brow until he returns to the soil from which he came.
If Adam was already dying, why threaten him with dying?
Now the other possibility we can think of is that you are correct, that death was in Adam prior to eating the forbidden fruit but that due to God making it so he could not have access to the tree of life, this would ensure his death and that death would pass on down to his offspring.
Spiritual separation from G-d...Otherwise why would G-d have to prevent him from eating from the tree of life if he was already mortal?...Since the tree of life gave him knowledge of Good and Bad, and that, per G-d, made him like Him, knowing Good from Bad, so now G-d has to keep him from eating the tree of life and becoming immortal, in other words he would become like G-d totally...So, that logically means that he was not immortal before that...Do you see what I am saying?...
That is only opinion based on the assumption that G-d would make immortal humans, however, there is nothing in Genesis to conclude that...
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