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Old 05-16-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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The temptation or testing came, after his baptism by way of the religious leaders of that day.
They were a jealous broad of vipers, and don't forget that Jesus also asked them a question.

John's baptism: "Was it from heaven, or from men?"
It's brood by the way....
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Old 05-16-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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Wisdom 2:23-25

23 For God formed us to be imperishable;
the image of his own nature he made us.
24 But by the envy of the devil, death entered the world,
and they who are allied with him experience it.

Romans 5 is also very clear on this.
Romans 8 speaks of the effect of the Fall on all God's creation.

Here is an interview with a creationist which talks about this
specifically around 15-20 minutes in.
Interview 011 – Hugh Owen of the Kolbe Center | Athanasius Contra Mundum

Remember, at the end of time in Revelation all things are restored, the whole
creation celebrates, not just men. And in Mark 16:15 we are instructed to preach
the Gospel to ALL creatures. They too will be restored.
The sin of Adam affected all creation, including that not HIM specifically, but that
which was created for him was also made fallen.
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Old 05-16-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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Were all immortal
No we are not immortal...
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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Uh, the Bible is a complete book. Satan was there, just with no name or title. John under inspiration later identified him.

ASV Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

ASV Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which Jehovah God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of any tree of the garden?

ASV Job 1:6 Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them.

Intelligent Jews knew who was who.

Here is Job 1:6-7 with Rashi commentary:


6.Now the day came about, and the angels of God came to stand beside the Lord, and the Adversary, too, came among them.

Now the day came about: That day which was Rosh Hashanah, (known as a day of sounding the shofar, and the Holy One, blessed be He, commanded the Adversary to bring the merit and the guilt of all creatures. This is the meaning of “from going to and fro on the earth.”



and the angels of God came to stand beside the Lord: to contend with Him, because the expression of standing refers only to judgment, as it is stated (Isa. 3:13): “The Lord stands to plead.”


Notice this is not a wager between G-d and the Adversary...It was the Adversary's job to look for good and the bad and bring back a report to G-d on what he had found, this is why G-d asks the Adversary if he had taken a look at His servant Job, and lauds Job for his righteousness, and the Adversary states that G-d has not tested Job yet and questions G-d whether Job would still be loyal if G-d were to take away what He has given to Job...So, G-d send the Adversary to test Job...

and the Adversary, too, came among them: to accuse the people.
7.The Lord said to the Adversary, "Where are you coming from?" And the Adversary answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth and from walking in it."

From going to and fro on the earth and from walking in it.”: So is my wont to go to and fro, to see the evil ones and the good ones. Now I went to and fro throughout the entire earth and I did not find anyone like Abraham, about whom it is said (Gen. 13:17): “Rise, go to and fro in the land.” The Sages of blessed memory (Baba Bathra 16a) said that the Adversary meant this for the sake of Heaven, in order that Abraham’s merit not be forgotten by our God.



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Old 05-16-2015, 09:19 AM
 
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Wisdom 2:23-25

23 For God formed us to be imperishable;
the image of his own nature he made us.
24 But by the envy of the devil, death entered the world,
and they who are allied with him experience it.

Romans 5 is also very clear on this.
Romans 8 speaks of the effect of the Fall on all God's creation.

Here is an interview with a creationist which talks about this
specifically around 15-20 minutes in.
Interview 011 – Hugh Owen of the Kolbe Center | Athanasius Contra Mundum

Remember, at the end of time in Revelation all things are restored, the whole
creation celebrates, not just men. And in Mark 16:15 we are instructed to preach
the Gospel to ALL creatures. They too will be restored.
The sin of Adam affected all creation, including that not HIM specifically, but that
which was created for him was also made fallen.
So, do you run around out in the woods preaching the Gospel to the squirrels?...
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Old 05-16-2015, 09:25 AM
 
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Wisdom 2:23-25

23 For God formed us to be imperishable;
the image of his own nature he made us.
24 But by the envy of the devil, death entered the world,
and they who are allied with him experience it.

Romans 5 is also very clear on this.
Romans 8 speaks of the effect of the Fall on all God's creation.

Here is an interview with a creationist which talks about this
specifically around 15-20 minutes in.
Interview 011 – Hugh Owen of the Kolbe Center | Athanasius Contra Mundum

Remember, at the end of time in Revelation all things are restored, the whole
creation celebrates, not just men. And in Mark 16:15 we are instructed to preach
the Gospel to ALL creatures. They too will be restored.
The sin of Adam affected all creation, including that not HIM specifically, but that
which was created for him was also made fallen.

Wis 2:23 For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity.
Wis 2:24 Nevertheless through envy of the devil came death into the world: and they that do hold of his side do find it.

TO BE, but no yet...Adam was made mortal....

It is like a cookie...it is made TO BE eaten...
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Old 05-16-2015, 10:26 AM
 
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The temptation or testing came, after his baptism by way of the religious leaders of that day.
They were a jealous broad of vipers, and don't forget that Jesus also asked them a question.

John's baptism: "Was it from heaven, or from men?"
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It's brood by the way....
It was a typo, but here is a direct message from one of those vipers (i.e., scorpions and snakes) that was sent to me, today:

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The Spirit of Truth

Today God gave me the authority and power to speak this upon you. From this time forth every time you log in to this web site and for every hour you are logged in to this web site ...a curse will come upon you and every member of your family. And if you in anyway whatsoever have any part in anyway that causes this screen name to be banned. A spirit will come upon 1 person in your family and cause them to die by some way or another.

Thus saith the Lord God.
Thus saith the one who eats from his (her, their) own tree of ignorance.
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Old 05-16-2015, 10:59 AM
 
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It was a typo, but here is a direct message from one of those vipers (i.e., scorpions and snakes) that was sent to me, today:

Thus saith the one who eats from his (her, their) own tree of ignorance.

Wow!...That's just...Wow!...All that that person DMd you may HaShem keep you safe and bring it back to that person 7 fold, AMEN...


That was just not nice...
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:13 PM
 
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That was just not nice...
It appears, that one has lifted up their axe in a forest of trees.
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Old 05-16-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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So, do you run around out in the woods preaching the Gospel to the squirrels?...
All creation which is good will share in the restoration of all things
and praise the Lord. God works miracles with animals and they
have indeed been preached to by some saints who worked miracles
with them. God loves animals and will not forget them.
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