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You really ought to read the rest of the book. Read the 1st 7 chapters before this. Paul is saying this because they have all sinned. They are incapable of pleasing God in the flesh because they are sinful human beings - as descendants of Adam.
Yes, and God created them all flesh knowing full well in advance that the flesh is not able to please God.
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Again...you have yet to show me that God NEEDED anything. He wanted it to happen...but he didn't NEED it.
If you are without a bicycle and you build a bicycle, obviously you needed a bicycle.
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What law was that? Can you tell me what this law contained? Maybe some of the requirements of it?
Thou shalt not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
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Yet...if you actually read all of Romans...you'll find out that man is slave to sin and we are all born sinners -- at war with God. It's because of God electing some to salvation that they may know him. (Rom 8-9)
Actually we are born dying and for that all sin (Rom.5:12).
Your Romans 8-9 are not concerning what Adam did and how the dying process entered into the world and for that all sin.
Again..God has not revealed anything in his Word regarding anything of the sort. On the contrary, he has said in Acts 17:24-25:
"“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.n 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else."
Well, God needs nothing from humans such as serving Him to bring about the world and all that is in it.
But if He created the world, He must have needed a world or else He wouldn't have created the world. Get it?
God needed Adam and Eve to sin so He could bring about the Saviour. God foretold the Saviour right after they sinned. The Saviour is not plan B. It was always Plan A.
Genesis 3:3 "but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"
Eve did not accurately reply (to the serpent) but rather she repeated accurately what Adam had told her that G()D had told him about the forbidden tree.
Adam had added to what G()D had told him.
Genesis 2:15...
15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Do you see what was added?
If you've ever been married you would know women always misunderstand what the man tells her.
I doubt Adam told her not to touch it. Most likely she just added that part.
Can you provide me a single verse that states that God needed ANYTHING? God didn't need Adam and Eve to do anything, or have a knowledge of anything.
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Most people when reading "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" only see the evil.
God needed Adam and Eve to have a knowledge of good too, not just a knowledge of evil.
The word needed should be replaced with intended: "God intended Adam and Eve to have a knowledge of good too, not just evil" else why wouldn't God set the cherubim and the flaming sword to keep them away from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" of as He did with "the tree of the living". (ref. Gen 3:24)
Although Adam and Eve did disobey God by eating "from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil", it was His intention for them to eat so their eyes would be opened.
CLV Ro 9:19 You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?"
The word needed should be replaced with intended: "God intended Adam and Eve to have a knowledge of good too, not just evil" else why wouldn't God set the cherubim and the flaming sword to keep them away from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" of as He did with "the tree of the living". (ref. Gen 3:24)
Although Adam and Eve did disobey God by eating "from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil", it was His intention for them to eat so their eyes would be opened.
CLV Ro 9:19 You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?"
Those are all very good thoughts dougj.
If you had no shoes and you made a pair for yourself I would say you intended to make those shoes and needed them.
If you had no shoes and you made a pair for yourself I would say you intended to make those shoes and needed them.
If you did not need them you would only make them if you wanted to.
You start out with a premise that there was any need and ....... there wasn't. It was a choice God made not an need. You start with a circular argument.
If you did not need them you would only make them if you wanted to.
You start out with a premise that there was any need and ....... there wasn't. It was a choice God made not an need. You start with a circular argument.
Oh, let me think this through. God created the heavens and earth because He didn't need that. Oh, o.....kay.
That reminds me of a country that built thousands of miles of highway simply because they didn't need them.
It is written a good tree cannot produce evil fruit and an evil tree can not produce good fruit, and in such it is not what goes in a man that defiles him but that which comes forth is that which defiles him.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Matt 12:35-37
And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counseller; and he was a good man, and a just:
Luke 23:50
So was Joseph a 'good' man or is the Bible in error?
Yes
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And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Mark 10:18
NO
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And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
John 19:38
DON'T KNOW
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A true witness delivereth souls:
Prov 14:25
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