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We are not talking about tomorrow and its troubles. We are talking about if Jesus used the word "Hell" or not.
And I'm simply pointing out that the message of Christ to us is to be a servant today, and let tomorrow, along with both Heaven and Gehenna, be taken care of by God.
Whether you are right or hellfire enthusiasts are right has nothing to do with living right--today, in this very hour. Winning the battle about the future (or end times) is about missing out on the now---which I am going to go put into practice.
P. S. I am well versed in Scripture having studied it in college and for over fifty years--and this whole topic is quite up for grabs--and still has nothing to do with living for Christ.
And I'm simply pointing out that the message of Christ to us is to be a servant today, and let tomorrow, along with both Heaven and Gehenna, be taken care of by God.
Whether you are right or hellfire enthusiasts are right has nothing to do with living right--today, in this very hour. Winning the battle about the future (or end times) is about missing out on the now---which I am going to go put into practice.
P. S. I am well versed in Scripture having studied it in college and for over fifty years--and this whole topic is quite up for grabs--and still has nothing to do with living for Christ.
A person can't walk correctly if he has tons of misunderstandings about God and his ways with mankind. That's why we have loads of instruction in Paul's epistles balanced with proper deportment.
A person can't walk correctly if he has tons of misunderstandings about God and his ways with mankind. That's why we have loads of instruction in Paul's epistles balanced with proper deportment.
Warden's walk is as Christlike as I have ever heard about . . . I am less certain about your walk, Eusebius. It is the Spirit that determines the walk. You seem to test nothing against the Spirit of agape love who IS God. You think what you THINK is important . . . but it is what you DO that is important. In any case . . . NOTHING we do has anything to do with our salvation. That was accomplished by Christ. It is finished.
A person can't walk correctly if he has tons of misunderstandings about God and his ways with mankind. That's why we have loads of instruction in Paul's epistles balanced with proper deportment.
That's why your perspective has the tons of misunderstandings. You are promoting a person can walk incorrectly, appear before the judgement seat and ya know if somehow you've been on the wrong side of things ... eventually one's final residency will be identical with everyone else who has walked correctly.
Truth is:
Jesus never makes such claim as universalism promises
thus universalism is a "preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached"
such a final ending residency for all people is
a different gospel than what the significance of message of the cross that God's plan for salvation intended for the hearer to hear and believes in
and such a different gospel message (which universalism is) for those who trust in it and those who preach will not be tolerated by God
and will be cursed with no less the same curse in duration that is earmarked for Satan and his demons
That's why your perspective has the tons of misunderstandings. You are promoting a person can walk incorrectly, appear before the judgement seat and ya know if somehow you've been on the wrong side of things ... eventually one's final residency will be identical with everyone else who has walked correctly.
Truth is:
Jesus never makes such claim as universalism promises
thus universalism is a "preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached"
such a final ending residency for all people is
a different gospel than what the significance of message of the cross that God's plan for salvation intended for the hearer to hear and believes in
and such a different gospel message (which universalism is) for those who trust in it and those who preach will not be tolerated by God
and will be cursed with no less the same curse in duration that is earmarked for Satan and his demons
Hi twin.spin,
You are correct that Jesus never made universalism promises. He gave that responsibility to the apostle Paul.
Yes, it is a different gospel Paul gave to the nations which is of pure grace than that gospel Jesus gave to Israel who were under the law.
God actually tells us to charge and teach that God will save all mankind and that God is all mankind's Saviour. If you don't believe me, read 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11. So why would God curse us for doing that which He expressly told us to teach?
Warden's walk is as Christlike as I have ever heard about
Do you live next door to Warden? Do you know him personally? Do you meet him on a daily basis where he works or plays? If not, you don't really know his walk. All you know is his talk.
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. . . I am less certain about your walk, Eusebius.
You should be less certain since you don't even know me and we have never met.
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It is the Spirit that determines the walk. You seem to test nothing against the Spirit of agape love who IS God. You think what you THINK is important . . . but it is what you DO that is important. In any case . . . NOTHING we do has anything to do with our salvation. That was accomplished by Christ. It is finished.
Paul's epistles are basically 3/4 doctrine and 1/4 deportment based upon the doctrines. If doctrine was unimportant, Paul would not have filled his epistles with doctrine and then, based upon the doctrines, told them how to walk in accord with their understanding.
Hi twin.spin,
You are correct that Jesus never made universalism promises. He gave that responsibility to the apostle Paul.
Yes, it is a different gospel Paul gave to the nations which is of pure grace than that gospel Jesus gave to Israel who were under the law.
God actually tells us to charge and teach that God will save all mankind and that God is all mankind's Saviour. If you don't believe me, read 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11. So why would God curse us for doing that which He expressly told us to teach?
Hello,
Unlike others who don't care about you and let some demonic spirit determine what is more truthful of what Jesus said than other words he spoke ... I care about you and so respond when feel motivated.
So why would God curse those who preach another gospel?
Because there's more to the truth than just 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11. If it were not so, the same writer of 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11 would not have warned about deceiving yourself (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Romans 16:18; Ephesians 5:6) which no less Jesus himself said would happen to many people (Matthew 24:11) and warned about (Matthew 24:4).
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Hello,
Unlike others who don't care about you and let some demonic spirit determine what is more truthful of what Jesus said than other words he spoke ... I care about you and so respond when feel motivated.
So why would God curse those who preach another gospel?
Because there's more to the truth than just 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11. If it were not so, the same writer of 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11 would not have warned about deceiving yourself (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Romans 16:18) which no less Jesus himself said would happen to many people (Matthew 24:11) and warned about (Matthew 24:4).
God is not two-faced. He does not tell us to teach "God will have all mankind to be saved" and teach "God is the Saviour of all mankind" and out the other side of His mouth say He is going to damn the majority of mankind eternally.
It is deceiving oneself to believe God would tell us to teach all will be saved and at the same time teach all will not be saved.
Since Jesus is the one Who told Paul to tell us to teach God will save all mankind, it is a sure thing that His warnings do not apply to those who do what they are told to do by their LORD.
God is not two-faced. He does not tell us to teach "God will have all mankind to be saved" and teach "God is the Saviour of all mankind" and out the other side of His mouth say He is going to damn the majority of mankind eternally.
It is deceiving oneself to believe God would tell us to teach all will be saved and at the same time teach all will not be saved.
Since Jesus is the one Who told Paul to tell us to teach God will save all mankind, it is a sure thing that His warnings do not apply to those who do what they are told to do by their LORD.
It would deceiving by me as you maintain if "all" is to be understood as "all inclusive" as you insist if it had not been the fact that the balance of the truth spoken by Jesus were not ... as the question originally by Satan trapped humanity stated:
"Did God really say .... "
Yes Eusebius, God really spoke more than 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11.
It would deceiving by me as you maintain if "all" is to be understood as "all inclusive" as you insist if it had not been the fact that the balance of the truth spoken by Jesus were not ... as the question originally by Satan trapped humanity stated:
"Did God really say .... "
Yes Eusebius, God really spoke more than 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11.
Yes and He never spoke out of both sides of His mouth and in fact He taught humanity that hypocrisy is wrong.
Yes there is more, way more than 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11 such as Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:22-28; Philippians 2:8-11; Colossians 1:15-20 to name but a few.
So let's see, God will have all mankind to be saved and at the same time God is going to damn the majority of mankind. Therefore damnation must be their salvation. Not.
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