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Old 06-10-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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Whoever does not believe was not blessed with God's gift of faith. So God is responsible for that person not believing.
That is actually, absolutely the truth.

 
Old 06-10-2015, 12:22 PM
 
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But it's not possible for me to do the work of believing. Only God is capable of making someone believe. Right?
Bingo
 
Old 06-10-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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Whoever does not believe was not blessed with God's gift of faith. So God is responsible for that person not believing.
and that is human reasoning shining through at best .... not what is revealed as the truth.
 
Old 06-10-2015, 12:53 PM
 
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Yes, but Romans 4 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 say one is righteous and saved just by believing Christ died for our sins, was entombed and roused the third day. Those verses don't say you are righteous and saved if you believe this and also do this or that.

The problem I see is well-meaning christians mix the four gospels with Paul's epistles and that's a no no.
The problem then still isn't the entire message of the Bible ... it's the selective and wanton reader who see's only what they want to at the expense of the rest.

"All scripture is God breathed"
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"and Scripture cannot be broken"
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Universalism's claim is against the entire truth as every word that God revealed.
 
Old 06-10-2015, 12:59 PM
 
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The problem then still isn't the entire message of the Bible ... it's the selective and wanton reader who see's only what they want to at the expense of the rest.

"All scripture is God breathed"
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"and Scripture cannot be broken"
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Universalism's claim is against the entire truth as every word that God revealed.
If you saw a sign in Israel saying "Eating pork is against the law" and then you go to the United States and see a sign "Eating pork is not against the law" what would you say about that?
 
Old 06-10-2015, 01:07 PM
 
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If you saw a sign in Israel saying "Eating pork is against the law" and then you go to the United States and see a sign "Eating pork is not against the law" what would you say about that?
That it doesn't change the fact that:
The problem then still isn't the entire message of the Bible ... it's the selective and wanton reader who see's only what they want to at the expense of the rest.

"All scripture is God breathed"
+
"and Scripture cannot be broken"
=
Universalism's claim is against the entire truth as every word that God revealed.

and purposefully being deflective on your part doesn't excuse where the problem resides.
 
Old 06-10-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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That it doesn't change the fact that:
The problem then still isn't the entire message of the Bible ... it's the selective and wanton reader who see's only what they want to at the expense of the rest.

"All scripture is God breathed"
+
"and Scripture cannot be broken"
=
Universalism's claim is against the entire truth as every word that God revealed.

and purposefully being deflective on your part doesn't excuse where the problem resides.
I understand that you can't answer the question because if you do you are painted into a corner. That's the pity with people who can't face the truth.
 
Old 06-10-2015, 01:33 PM
 
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For those of you who are reading these posts but never respond, you are probably wondering why twin.spin couldn't or wouldn't answer my simple question above.

You see the problem is this: Different countries have different rules and regulations and different constitutions.

It would be improper to take what belongs to Israel, "Don't eat pork" and bring that law to any country outside of Israel and try to force their law on those countries. Yet twin.spin is doing just that. He is taking what was specific to Israel in the four gospels and trying to shove those rules and regulations down the throats of the outside nations.

Paul, the apostle of the nations told us we are saved by grace and not by works.
Jesus told the Israelites they had to do the law.
Peter told the Israelites they had to repent, be baptized for the pardon of sins.
Paul told the nations to just believe God that Christ died for our sins and we are saved.

Universalism is a threat to paganized Christianity. It is a threat to their lies and darkness.
 
Old 06-10-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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Selectively quoting John 10:35 is typical of the tactics of authoritarians desperate to establish an authority not given even in the book they wish to make that authority.
The verse reads: "35"If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," and illustrates how Jesus made the pharisee's own doctrines work against them (they were "hoist by their own petard")
 
Old 06-10-2015, 01:35 PM
 
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and that is human reasoning shining through at best .... not what is revealed as the truth.
What do you mean?
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