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My take on it is that the Jews rejected the Gospel (invitation) and mistreated the messengers (disciples, etc.) so the Gospel (invitation) was extended to all men. The man without proper garments was a false messiah (there were several back then) who was cast out of the feast. The king's army (Romans in 70AD) destroyed those who rejected the Gospel (invitation).
It's a prediction of the destruction of the temple.
Either way it has nothing to do with heaven or salvation. Remember, he is telling this parable to people who were actually listening at that time not people thousands of years later...
I appreciate your tenacity in addressing these issues with the Fundamentalists, Kat. But the "easy believism" adherents will not understand or use any logic or reason. Theirs is an unreasoning credulity.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
"When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit"
Now you change your story? You clearly separated those that rejected and those that killed. Now it's those that rejected and those that rejected and killed?? You also stated that the ones that simply rejected were thrown into the outer darkness but the verse simply states the city was burned and the murderers destroyed. It was the one with no garment that was thrown outside, into the darkness - not the outer darkness.
Maybe you need to read it more carefully???
No change. I simply repeated what I said before. Some simply rejected, and some others took it a step further and killed the messangers.
I appreciate your tenacity in addressing these issues with the Fundamentalists, Kat. But the "easy believism" adherents will not understand or use any logic or reason. Theirs is an unreasoning credulity.
QED!
I understand that fundementalist understanding is a form of understanding where you simply refuse to understand. Still... others may find the information compelling.
You need to read more carefully. The parable does not say those who rejected the invitation were destroyed. It said those who killed the messenger were destroyed. Those who rejected the invitation were thrown in the outer darkness, as were those who did not wear the garment (the seal of salvation).
The seal of salvation is given to us when we believe, not before, and clearly not afterwards (or automatically). The parable makes that very clear. It could also be said he was thrown out because his name was not found in the book of live.
"When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit"
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Originally Posted by katjonjj
Ummm... The ones who rejected the invitation were the same that were beating the messengers.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
No, some simply rejected, and some rejected and killed the messangers.
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Originally Posted by katjonjj
Now you change your story? You clearly separated those that rejected and those that killed. Now it's those that rejected and those that rejected and killed?? You also stated that the ones that simply rejected were thrown into the outer darkness but the verse simply states the city was burned and the murderers destroyed. It was the one with no garment that was thrown outside, into the darkness - not the outer darkness.
Maybe you need to read it more carefully???
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
No change. I simply repeated what I said before. Some simply rejected, and some others took it a step further and killed the messangers.
No, you actually didn't. You totally misrepresented the parable. No wonder your interpretation is so convoluted!
Also.. messangers is misspelled. Should be messengers.
But back to the OP > The parable does not disprove that all are, in fact, saved.
I appreciate your tenacity in addressing these issues with the Fundamentalists, Kat. But the "easy believism" adherents will not understand or use any logic or reason. Theirs is an unreasoning credulity.
QED!
So, you also believe the parable of the wedding is about the destruction of Jerusalem. Well, that makes two of you.
Whether it does or doesn't, you trying to use it to refute universalism is absurd.
The whole wedding custom is based on Jewish culture. Jesus was speaking to Jews.
The invited ones refuse to come and are destroyed.
The uninvited ones stay.
The unclothed ONE is tossed out.
Where in this does it mean what you want it to mean?
For the third time, some simply refused to come:
"But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business"
And the others killed the messengers:
"The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them"
And somehow this is all about destruction of Jerusalem to you.......
Well, you are free to believe what you want.
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