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Just read the passage. The context is dealing with church discipline. If someone is unrepentant and they follow the steps outline, escalating it to the point where the church casts them out, God grants the church that authority. This isn't about the church removing or granting salvation, but is instead more about them excommunicating someone.
Just read the passage. The context is dealing with church discipline. If someone is unrepentant and they follow the steps outline, escalating it to the point where the church casts them out, God grants the church that authority. This isn't about the church removing or granting salvation, but is instead more about them excommunicating someone.
Because we all know that Jesus was so very fond of excommunicating others from the fold...
Yah...he was, actually. Have you read what he thought of the Pharisees and hypocrites?
He never actually embraced the elite. He did however constantly remind them and the people how WRONG the pharisees were and that they were not to be trusted unless they changed their ways.
But excommunication?? Chapter and verse please, because unless I read fore myself..
Literalism is the bane of reason, Pleroo.
We will never resolve this "test of wills" nonsense, Kat. The short answer is that by God's Will we have Dominion over the earth for all things involving our will. . . so why would He renege on that? Besides . . . we are told that the scriptures are to be interpreted spiritually NOT carnally . . . so why all the emphasis on physical, carnal and worldly things?
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Just read the passage. The context is dealing with church discipline. If someone is unrepentant and they follow the steps outline, escalating it to the point where the church casts them out, God grants the church that authority. This isn't about the church removing or granting salvation, but is instead more about them excommunicating someone.
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Church discipline is an anachronism that corrupts the very essence of Christ's Gospel. The Spirit of agape love is the absolute standard and never should be violated, period. We are NOT God's enforcers.
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Because we all know that Jesus was so very fond of excommunicating others from the fold...
No He wasn't. You cannot reach anyone you are NOT communicating with.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Yah...he was, actually. Have you read what he thought of the Pharisees and hypocrites?
Jesus pointed out errors in their beliefs and practices . . . that is NOT excommunicating them. It is communicating with them.
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Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28
He never actually embraced the elite. He did however constantly remind them and the people how WRONG the pharisees were and that they were not to be trusted unless they changed their ways.
But excommunication?? Chapter and verse please, because unless I read fore myself..
Like most of Vizio's views . . . the excommunication nonsense is just that . . . nonsense.
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