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Old 07-13-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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I read a great comment regarding the return of the star of Bethlehem.

Since it's technically two planets that appear to merge, Jupiter and Venus, Jupiter being the planet of power, and Venus representing the spirit of love, the "star's" re-emergence is the Power of Love.

Is anyone else excited about the return of The Star of Bethlehem?

The Christmas Star
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:41 AM
 
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I read a great comment regarding the return of the star of Bethlehem.

Since it's technically two planets that appear to merge, Jupiter and Venus, Jupiter being the planet of power, and Venus representing the spirit of love, the "star's" re-emergence is the Power of Love.

Is anyone else excited about the return of The Star of Bethlehem?

The Christmas Star
Jupiter represents the King of the gods and god of thunder and lightening...
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Old 07-13-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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I read a great comment regarding the return of the star of Bethlehem.

Since it's technically two planets that appear to merge, Jupiter and Venus, Jupiter being the planet of power, and Venus representing the spirit of love, the "star's" re-emergence is the Power of Love.

Is anyone else excited about the return of The Star of Bethlehem?

The Christmas Star
No, it wasn't a natural star and Satan used it to lead the kings/magi to Herod so he would know where Jesus was born to ... kill him.

Stars do not change direction and that one did to go from the east to Jerusalem and then to Bethlehem. Abnormal action, so not a Star create by God at all.
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Old 07-13-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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No, it wasn't a natural star and Satan used it to lead the kings/magi to Herod so he would know where Jesus was born to ... kill him.

Stars do not change direction and that one did to go from the east to Jerusalem and then to Bethlehem. Abnormal action, so not a Star create by God at all.
This is all conjecture on your part...
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Old 07-13-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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This is all conjecture on your part...
No,

It changed direction and stars do NOT do that.

It led them to .. Herod first who wanted to Kill Jesus and then it led them to Jesus and an angel had to tell them NOT to go back to Herod.

It did not lead them to a manger either as Jesus was about 2 years old when they came to ... the house they were in.
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Old 07-13-2015, 02:51 PM
 
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I read a great comment regarding the return of the star of Bethlehem.

Since it's technically two planets that appear to merge, Jupiter and Venus, Jupiter being the planet of power, and Venus representing the spirit of love, the "star's" re-emergence is the Power of Love.

Is anyone else excited about the return of The Star of Bethlehem?

The Christmas Star
Venus is erotic love.
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Old 07-13-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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No,

It changed direction andstars do NOT do that.

Retrograde motion of planets?
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Old 07-13-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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No,

It changed direction and stars do NOT do that.

It led them to .. Herod first who wanted to Kill Jesus and then it led them to Jesus and an angel had to tell them NOT to go back to Herod.

It did not lead them to a manger either as Jesus was about 2 years old when they came to ... the house they were in.
This is all conjecture on your part...
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Old 07-13-2015, 06:22 PM
 
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I read a great comment regarding the return of the star of Bethlehem.

Since it's technically two planets that appear to merge, Jupiter and Venus, Jupiter being the planet of power, and Venus representing the spirit of love, the "star's" re-emergence is the Power of Love.

Is anyone else excited about the return of The Star of Bethlehem?

The Christmas Star
When Venus & Jupiter align from our viewpoint on earth,
it is not the star that led the magi to Herod before leading them to Jesus.

Nor was the star that led the 'wise men' ("magi") --to Jesus by way of Herod-- sent by Jesus' Father.

The sign from God was given to the shepherds in the field with their flocks . . .
the angelic announcement that the Messiah had just been born. (Luke 2:8-20)

The magi did not arrive to visit Jesus & his parents until Jesus was already a two-year-old child,
and the family was then living in a house in Bethlehem. . . .


The New International Version Study Bible makes this comment on Matthew 2:11:

“Contrary to tradition, the Magi did not visit Jesus at the manger on the night of his birth as did the shepherds. They came some months later and visited him as a ‘child’ in his ‘house.’”

The fact that Herod --when seeking to have young Jesus killed-- ordered the slaughter of all two years and under aged boys in the area, is verification that Jesus was no babe in a manger when the magi / astrologers visited. Herod targeted that age group “according to the time that he had carefully ascertained from the astrologers.”—Matthew 2:16.


Another verification is that, had they visited & brought gold and other valuable gifts to Jesus on the night of his birth, it is extremely unlikely that Mary would have offered only two birds 40 days later when she presented Jesus at the temple (Luke 2:22-24), as this was a provision in the Law for poor people who could not afford a young ram. (Leviticus 12:6-8)


The magi themselves were definitely not servants of the God worshipped by the Israelites. Instead, they were pagan astrologers -and- they were led by that star straight to the pagan, Herod . . . in Jerusalem . . . because the god that provided said star --Satan-- wanted to kill Jesus before he could fulfill all the prophecies about himself in God's Word . . . starting with Genesis 3:14-15 . . .

(Then Jehovah God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild animals of the field. On your belly you will go, and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel.”)


Satan is identified in Scripture as:

"The god of this system of things," (2 Co 4:4a);

"The ruler of this world," (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11);

"A murderer ... he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him," (John 8:44b)

"The ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit ... now at work in the sons of disobedience." (Eph 2:2b);

This goes along with the fact that Satan was able to offer Christ rulership of all the world, if he would only do an act of worship toward him. That offer would have been pointless if the Devil had not indeed exercised authority over them.


When Herod learned the Messiah had been born, he found out from the Israelites where their prophesies said he would be born, and then sent the astrologers to find him, with strict orders to return & tell him where the child was, so that he could have him killed (although he claimed it was so he could go do obeisance to him.) When the astrologers did not return, he "flew into a great rage, and he sent out and had all the boys in Bethlehem and in all its districts killed, from two years of age and under".)



Getting back to the men who brought Jesus gifts. . . .

Astrologers (Gr., maʹgoi; “Magi,” AS ftn, CC, We; Magians,” ED)
brought gifts to the young child Jesus. (Mt 2:1-16)


The Imperial Bible-Dictionary (Vol. II, p. 139) says:

“According to Herodotus the magi were a tribe of the Medes ... who professed to interpret dreams, and had the official charge of sacred rites . . . they were, in short, the learned and priestly class, and having, as was supposed, the skill of deriving from books and the observation of the stars a supernatural insight into coming events . . . .


So . . .
Justin Martyr, Origen, and Tertullian, when reading Matthew 2:1, thought of maʹgoi as astrologers.

Tertullian wrote (“On Idolatry,” IX):

“We know the mutual alliance of magic and astrology. The interpreters of the stars, then, were the first . . . to present Him [Jesus] ‘gifts.’” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 1957, Vol. III, p. 65)

The name Magi became current “as a generic term for astrologers in the East.”
The New Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopedia, 1952, Vol. 22, p. 8076.

So the circumstantial evidence is strong that the maʹgoi who visited the infant Jesus were astrologers.

Thus The New Testament translated by C. B. Williams reads “star-gazers,” with a footnote in explanation:

“This is, students of stars in relation to events on earth.”

Fittingly, then, modern English translations read “astrologers” at Matthew 2:1.—AT, NE, NW, Ph.
(The entire account ends with verse 16.)


The star that led them brought them from the east to Jerusalm (where Herod was), and then it took them to Bethlehem . . . stopping over the house where Jesus' family lived.


Thus, neither the star itself, then, nor the people following it, nor the person they were first led to . . . none of them originated with Jehovah God OR his followers. They were all a part of Satan's attempted attacks upon the Messiah.

Was the 'Star of Bethlehem' the aligning of two planets . . . ?
How would they have led the astrologers first to Herod, and, then to Jesus . . . ?

Remember . . . the Egyptian 'wise men' were able to conjure up a snake, in defiance of Jehovah God. (Ex 7:9-13)

Demonic power was undoubtedly the source of that snake . . . as well as the source of the star that was followed by the astrologers who visited Jesus & his family.



SO . . .

No . . . I'm not excited about the aligning of Jupiter & Venus from our earthly vantage point . . .

And, No . . . that was not what formed the 'star of Bethlehem' that the astrologers followed.


Jehovah God would never have put the child Jesus in harms way.
Herod showed what a vicious man he was when he ordered ALL the young boys slaughtered, when the astrologers did not return & tell him which one was the Messiah.
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Old 07-13-2015, 06:47 PM
 
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When Venus & Jupiter align from our viewpoint on earth,
it is not the star that led the magi to Herod before leading them to Jesus.

Nor was the star that led the 'wise men' ("magi") --to Jesus by way of Herod-- sent by Jesus' Father.

The sign from God was given to the shepherds in the field with their flocks . . .
the angelic announcement that the Messiah had just been born. (Luke 2:8-20)

The magi did not arrive to visit Jesus & his parents until Jesus was already a two-year-old child,
and the family was then living in a house in Bethlehem. . . .


The New International Version Study Bible makes this comment on Matthew 2:11:

“Contrary to tradition, the Magi did not visit Jesus at the manger on the night of his birth as did the shepherds. They came some months later and visited him as a ‘child’ in his ‘house.’”

The fact that Herod --when seeking to have young Jesus killed-- ordered the slaughter of all two years and under aged boys in the area, is verification that Jesus was no babe in a manger when the magi / astrologers visited. Herod targeted that age group “according to the time that he had carefully ascertained from the astrologers.”—Matthew 2:16.


Another verification is that, had they visited & brought gold and other valuable gifts to Jesus on the night of his birth, it is extremely unlikely that Mary would have offered only two birds 40 days later when she presented Jesus at the temple (Luke 2:22-24), as this was a provision in the Law for poor people who could not afford a young ram. (Leviticus 12:6-8)
Dude, I was with you right up until the nonsense below...


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The magi themselves were definitely not servants of the God worshipped by the Israelites. Instead, they were pagan astrologers -and- they were led by that star straight to the pagan, Herod . . . in Jerusalem . . . because the god that provided said star --Satan-- wanted to kill Jesus before he could fulfill all the prophecies about himself in God's Word . . . starting with Genesis 3:14-15 . . .

You really don't know who the Magi were, do you?...


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(Then Jehovah God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, you are the cursed one out of all the domestic animals and out of all the wild animals of the field. On your belly you will go, and you will eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel.”)
That is not what that verse says:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.'

So, yea, has nothing to do with JC...

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Satan is identified in Scripture as:

"The god of this system of things," (2 Co 4:4a);

"The ruler of this world," (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11);

"A murderer ... he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him," (John 8:44b)

"The ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit ... now at work in the sons of disobedience." (Eph 2:2b);
Satan is a character that appears in the belief systems of many religions, including Christianity and Islam. In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination – the yetzer hara – that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong.

Satan As A Metaphor for the Yetzer HaRa.

The Hebrew word "satan" literally means "adversary" and in Jewish thought one of the things we struggle against every day is the "evil inclination," also known as the yetzer hara.

The yetzer hara is not a force or a being, but rather refers to mankind's innate capacity for doing evil in the world. Using the term satan to describe this impulse is not very common though. (The "good inclination" is called the yetzer hatov.)

References to "satan" can be found in some Orthodox and Conservative prayer books, but they are viewed as symbolic descriptions of one aspect of mankind's nature.


References to Satan in the Hebrew Bible

Satan appears as a proper character only once in the Hebrew Bible. In the Book of Job he is depicted as an angel who mocks the piety of a righteous man named Job. He tells God that the only reason Job is so religious is because God has given him a life filled with blessings. "But lay Your hand upon all that he has, and he will curse You to Your face" (Job 1:11). God accepts Satan’s wager and allows Satan to rain all manner of misfortune upon Job: his sons and daughters die, he loses his fortune, he is afflicted with painful boils. Yet even though people tell Job to curse God, he refuses.

The Book of Job grapples with the difficult question of why God allows evil in the world. It is the only book in the Hebrew Bible that mentions "satan" as a sentient being. The idea of satan has a being with dominion over a metaphysical realm never caught on in Judaism. Judaism is so strictly monotheistic that the rabbis resisted the temptation to characterize anyone other than God with authority. Rather, God is the Creator of both good and evil and it is up to mankind to choose which path they will follow.

- How Satan Is Viewed in Judaism

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