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Old 08-04-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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Yes Jesus sacrifice of the Cross of Calvary is God only judgment for people who have sinned of the earth , as all have sinned and fell short of life of God , so all people need Jesus Christ on their lives and His only sacrifice for judgment of sin ......... Then quoting the false teacher Gerald Massey who fabricated the Egyptian myth of Horus and his similar to the Story of Jesus which have never been proved as stories in history of Egypt .... Do a study on-line of Gerald Massey and His false teaching , as historians say No way this is all made up
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Old 08-04-2015, 04:22 PM
 
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It wouldn't, except in the alternative universe known as religion.

For example, in the real world, a statement of opinion like "the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God" is just an opinion. But in the world of religion, mere assertion = truth.
Not really. It's not true because you or me, or anyone says so....it's true because it's true. If you don't want to believe that, ok...I can't make you believe it any more than I can lead a horse to water and make him drink.
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Old 08-04-2015, 04:27 PM
 
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Exactly. Historically, the church began a mere fifty days after the resurrection of Jesus and experienced rapid growth. This would not have been the case if in fact Jesus had not been resurrected. If Jesus had not risen there would not have been any valid reason for the apostles to spread the gospel and endured the hardships they did for doing so, and for people to respond to their message by believing in Him. If Jesus had remained dead and in the tomb, that fact would have been known and the gospel concerning Jesus known to be a lie. But the resurrected Jesus at one point appeared to over 500 people who were witnesses to His being risen from the grave.
Not totally convinced of that argument Mike.

Even recent history has shown that believers in certain religions, cults and philosophies spread their message without any miraculous "resurrection" .
Look at Jim Jones's Jonestown, Marshall Applewhite's Heaven's Gate, David Koresh's Branch Dividians........with followers willing to die for their belief without so much as a sniff of any miracle event occuring.
Even after Hitler's death announcement lots of Germans took their own lives such was Hitler's following.

The resurrection story could have simply been fabricated to help promote Jesus's teachings.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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It's not true because you or me, or anyone says so....it's true because it's true.
Post of the year.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:11 PM
 
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Not totally convinced of that argument Mike.

Even recent history has shown that believers in certain religions, cults and philosophies spread their message without any miraculous "resurrection" .
Look at Jim Jones's Jonestown, Marshall Applewhite's Heaven's Gate, David Koresh's Branch Dividians........with followers willing to die for their belief without so much as a sniff of any miracle event occuring.
Even after Hitler's death announcement lots of Germans took their own lives such was Hitler's following.

The resurrection story could have simply been fabricated to help promote Jesus's teachings.
In the examples you give the men benefited and gained the glory they wanted. Those who killed themselves for following Hitler were losers and could not face that. Hitler could not. vastly different situation. The Davidians thought they were Christians and accepted that teaching.

The apostles, gained no worship, money and were killed, other than John, by the Romans and others. No similarity at all.

What would it take for you to go to the far corners of this Country, preach a gospel, work to support yourself, be beaten, jailed and hated and finally face death. What would you need to move YOU to do thatif you were as well schooled and honored as Saul/Paul was before becoming a believer?
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:11 PM
 
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No such thing as a "Right" religion. There is only Religion and no Religion.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:16 PM
 
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Adam and Eve were not Muslim or Hindus or any modern religion. They did have sacrifices which God instructed them to make. That is what got Cain in trouble. He didn't think he had to sacrifice the way God told them.

From Adam and Eve's line is the line to the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Prior to Christ, their line, through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Jacob became Israel) came the Israelites and the Hebrew religion. From that came the Christ and from Christ came Christianity. So I would say Christianity is bar none, THE one to go with.
Then a few thousand years later God CHANGED his mind and said NO MORE SACRIFICES..making yet another mistaken religion.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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where science touches religion there is truth.
example smoking is probably bad for you
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:36 PM
 
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The first true faith was in the Garden of Eden in Genesis 2-3. God walked with sinless people (Adam and Eve), and they talked with Him and worshiped Him in purity. After sin occurred, God established a faith of sacrifice that was a shadow of the coming of Jesus Christ and His vicarious death on the cross and miraculous physical resurrection. This is seen in Genesis 4, where Abel is giving a spotless lamb. Abraham walked by faith and gave sacrifice to God (Genesis 12+) and taught Isaac and Jacob to do the same. Exodus 12 records the addition of Passover (again, a spotless lamb would be sacrificed, this time to cover the faithful from Death). The Hebrew people had grown to be the nation of Israel, and the LORD God gave to them the 10 Commandments, laws of purity, etc. of the Torah (first five books of the Bible). All of these were shadows: pictures and promises of the coming of the Messiah. As Jesus told His friends on the road to Emmaus, " Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." (Luke 24:26-27)
All other religions related back to the tower of Babel (Babylon, Genesis 11); for there is the seat of all other religions.
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Old 08-04-2015, 08:18 PM
 
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Then a few thousand years later God CHANGED his mind and said NO MORE SACRIFICES..making yet another mistaken religion.
Nope, just a lack of understanding of what it represented and what was and did occur.
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