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Old 02-01-2008, 03:00 PM
 
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1 John 2:4
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

These are just three of the numerous passages that tell us just how important it is for us to strive to keep the commandments. Christ knew what the fourth commandment was. To water that down and say the sabbath is whenever you want it to be is completely unbiblical. You can find one direct reference to that anywhere. Yet James tell us that if you stumble in one point you stumble in all points. And Christ says that if you love him to keep his commandments. Why do we want to ignore what is so very plain?
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:02 PM
 
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What are "Christ's commandments"?
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:08 PM
 
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What are "Christ's commandments"?
Matthew 19:16-19 makes it perfectly clear that Christ was talking about the ten commandments.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:22 PM
 
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Matthew 19:16-19 makes it perfectly clear that Christ was talking about the ten commandments.
But it didn't end there...
Matthew 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
The ten commandments were a good start in the young man's life, but he still recognized a lack. When it came down to the real thing, giving up his worldly possessions and following Jesus, he decided it was too much.

Bottom line... it's easy to "keep the commandments". It's much harder, yet a better way and necessary for salvation, to exercise our faith and go and follow Jesus.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:24 PM
 
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Bottom line... it's easy to "keep the commandments". It's much harder, yet a better way, to exercise our faith and go and follow Jesus.
This is so beautiful, the difference between outward appearances and actually walking the talk, and living the life.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:29 PM
 
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1 John 2:4
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

These are just three of the numerous passages that tell us just how important it is for us to strive to keep the commandments. Christ knew what the fourth commandment was. To water that down and say the sabbath is whenever you want it to be is completely unbiblical. You can find one direct reference to that anywhere. Yet James tell us that if you stumble in one point you stumble in all points. And Christ says that if you love him to keep his commandments. Why do we want to ignore what is so very plain?
I don't think this should be ignored, I do think that though many put an "over-emphasis" on their own righteousnous though after reading the verses above. Being righteous unto ourselves will not get us into Heaven, Christ's righteousnous will though. Problem is people don't really understand that Christ's righteousnous is something that really can't be obtained individually by fulfilling all of the law. No man can be justified by God by the law. We're all essentially lawbreakers and sinners. God's grace however, is what enables us to have faith in the sacrafice of Christ, and leads us away from willingly sinning against him. I say "willingly" due to the fact that our bodies are still in a dead decaying state, and obviously still contain the sinful nature in them even after being filled with the spirit. However, at some point, God will give new transformed bodies - so individuals will no longer have any affiliation with sin within them.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:31 PM
 
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1 John 2:4
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

These are just three of the numerous passages that tell us just how important it is for us to strive to keep the commandments. Christ knew what the fourth commandment was. To water that down and say the sabbath is whenever you want it to be is completely unbiblical. You can find one direct reference to that anywhere. Yet James tell us that if you stumble in one point you stumble in all points. And Christ says that if you love him to keep his commandments. Why do we want to ignore what is so very plain?
You are touching on a profound truth.
Jesus always taught the highest, the path of righteousness, and holiness. In order to live the highway, and the straight and narrow way, one must keep His commandments. The simplest way to do this is to learn and grow in Love. The Greatest commandment. Which is described in Matt: ch.5-7
It is a different path than being salvaged, or saved. It takes very little to be saved. Jesus gave that as a gift. In order to be Elect, or Chosen to be in fact like Christ, takes a commitment to Love, Praise, and Gratitude (the great attitude).
Many are called, few are chosen. Mainly because of unbelief. Thinking that the higher teachings can't be lived.
Jesus never taught that they could not be lived. He said the opposite.
I give no commandment that the way is not prepared.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:34 PM
 
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I don't think this should be ignored, I do think that though many put an "over-emphasis" on their own righteousnous though after reading the verses above. Being righteous unto ourselves will not get us into Heaven, Christ's righteousnous will though. Problem is people don't really understand that Christ's righteousnous is something that really can't be obtained individually by fulfilling all of the law. No man can be justified by God by the law. We're all essentially lawbreakers and sinners. God's grace however, is what enables us to have faith in the sacrafice of Christ, and leads us away from willingly sinning against him. I say "willingly" due to the fact that our bodies are still in a dead decaying state, and obviously still contain the sinful nature in them even after being filled with the spirit. However, at some point, God will give new transformed bodies - so individuals will no longer have any affiliation with sin within them.
Great post! I agree...
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:40 PM
 
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I don't think this should be ignored, I do think that though many put an "over-emphasis" on their own righteousnous though after reading the verses above. Being righteous unto ourselves will not get us into Heaven, Christ's righteousnous will though. Problem is people don't really understand that Christ's righteousnous is something that really can't be obtained individually by fulfilling all of the law. No man can be justified by God by the law. We're all essentially lawbreakers and sinners. God's grace however, is what enables us to have faith in the sacrafice of Christ, and leads us away from willingly sinning against him. I say "willingly" due to the fact that our bodies are still in a dead decaying state, and obviously still contain the sinful nature in them even after being filled with the spirit. However, at some point, God will give new transformed bodies - so individuals will no longer have any affiliation with sin within them.
The examples that i have seen are that so much emphasis is put on the gift only, that hypocrisy has become an accepted doctrine and crutch.

Crucifying Christ afresh daily, not lifting one thought, act or deed in order that the light of Christ can shine, that others seeing will glorify our Father in heaven.

Christian has become synonomous with hypocrite, and that has caused a falling away from the truth.

Ask the children and they will tell you. My kids say all the time, how can they say they are Christian (Christ-like) or (Annointed)? They will no longer call themselves Christian, because of the trampling of the name...

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:48 PM
 
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The examples that i have seen are that so much emphasis is put on the gift only, that hypocrisy has become an accepted doctrine and crutch.

Crucifying Christ afresh daily, not lifting one thought, act or deed in order that the light of Christ can shine, that others seeing will glorify our Father in heaven.

Christian has become synonomous with hypocrite, and that has caused a falling away from the truth.

Ask the children and they will tell you. My kids say all the time, how can they say they are Christian (Christ-like) or (Annointed)?

godspeed,

freedom
Yeah, I think the point though is to not focus on over-righteousnous. It brings about pride, the worse sin of them all. Being righteous is good, just not to the point where you come so righteous that you're above reproach from God. Kind of silly anyway for someone to get above reproach to God, if you think about it - if he is Truth itself, then logically it makes sense to do what he asks you. He's omniscient too..so yeah, what he tells you to do will obviously bring about the best results sense he knows everything. If I go to a well, I'm going to go to one with unlimited living water, not one that doesn't have any or that's going to run out quickly.


I think a balance can be achieved though, one just really has to humble themselves before God, or perhaps the better wording is ask God to put some real "fear" of him within their hearts. A loving fear of course not the sinful fear that many of us have grown up with being instilled within us while we're young. Perhaps it's good more so than fear, to have just Love for him either. When we love him, then we truly try to follow the commands as well.
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