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The key word is IDEAL. Mature adults do not base their expectations and evaluations on unrealistic ideals.
Great so we agree that it is just silly and unrealistic for all of these folks to sit and pray thinking that some how some way their world peace prayer is just going to be magically answered.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
But we have been making the world a more peaceful place, despite the massive increases in population. The trend is hopeful and there is no evidence whatsoever that prayer has been ineffective.
The 20th century was one of the most violent periods in human history. An estimated 191 million people lost their lives directly or indirectly as a result of conflict, and well over half of them were civilians
Sorry but this is the world we live in. Praying is not going to change these stats. It will take a major paradigm shift among us to make this world a safer place for all. As the population rises so will the problems that contribute to violence around the globe. I can't imagine what the world will be like in 40 years when the population rises to over 9 Billion.
If the 20th century was one of the most violent periods in human history...can you just imagine what the stats will be at the end of the 21st century?
I'm searching for Satan. And babies to eat. Mmmmm...baby...the other white meat.
That is vile. It's not funny. Yuk. You are not funny. You are a miserable person who hangs out in a Christian forum more than most Christians do. Oh well, whatever!
No they are NOT correct. Peace is not an all-or-nothing proposition. That is why I mentioned the need for a valid measure of the degree of peace in the entire world. I am fairly certain that it would be trending upward. Expecting complete peace while certainly desirable is just silly and childish. More peace than conflict is achievable and we have achieved that to a large degree as a percentage of the entire human population.
Nicely put, Mystic. I have to wonder when people come around opposing peace. Good grief! I can't imagine a more pathetic way to spend one's time.
That is vile. It's not funny. Yuk. You are not funny. You are a miserable person who hangs out in a Christian forum more than most Christians do. Oh well, whatever!
You can't be serious. I was obviously being sarcastic in the face of HushWhisper's paranoid accusations.
No they are NOT correct. Peace is not an all-or-nothing proposition. That is why I mentioned the need for a valid measure of the degree of peace in the entire world. I am fairly certain that it would be trending upward. Expecting complete peace while certainly desirable is just silly and childish. More peace than conflict is achievable and we have achieved that to a large degree as a percentage of the entire human population.
When humanity is comfortable with uncertainty, peace may be more relevant.
There may be no gain (at least measurable) in feeling sorrow for the pain inflicted on the victims, their friends and families and fervently wishing/hoping/praying that such horror would end.
But nor do I see harm resulting from it. That sorrow and wishing/hoping/praying for change could well lead to plans of action - deeds which may yield concrete, measurable results.
I think it begins by filling bellies with food and minds with education. The next saint will be the person who invents a way for every person on the planet to access and interact with the internet on a cheap device, for free, or next to nada.
Nicely put, Mystic. I have to wonder when people come around opposing peace. Good grief! I can't imagine a more pathetic way to spend one's time.
Who is opposing peace? Do you think that prayer is the only way to cultivate peace?
The problem with Prayer is that is seeks to absolve Man of his responsibility. People did this in Paris - not gods. People chose to do this and are responsible for their actions. Let our thoughts and actions be with those who have suffered and leave prayers to the dark ages.
I am not religious but don't tell me where my good intent or prayer or good wishes are best utilized. Those who politicize their agenda on the shoulders of victims of tragedy are morally decrepit and have no business telling me mine.
Who is opposing peace? Do you think that prayer is the only way to cultivate peace?
The problem with Prayer is that is seeks to absolve Man of his responsibility. People did this in Paris - not gods. People chose to do this and are responsible for their actions. Let our thoughts and actions be with those who have suffered and leave prayers to the dark ages.
I am not religious but don't tell me where my good intent or prayer or good wishes are best utilized. Those who politicize their agenda on the shoulders of victims of tragedy are morally decrepit and have no business telling me mine.
Matadora, i think you are a very sincere intelligent person who makes very well thought out civil posts, you would be welcome at my house for a cup of tea and slice of cake any day of the week, even though we may see things differently.
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