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Matthew 27:5 “Flinging the money into the temple, he departed and went off and hanged himself.”
Acts of the Apostles 1: 18 "He bought a parcel of land with the wages of his iniquity, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle, and all his insides spilled out."
Since both of these statements are “God breathed” (right?), here is what must have happened.
Judas hung himself, but then was resurrected so that he could do a somersault and fall headlong into a hole and burst open.
What could be simpler according to inspired scripture? (Or maybe not?)
Maybe he was kind of like Rasputin.
Or like Terminator in the first movie.
They both died a whole bunch of times so why not Judas?
Or maybe while he was hanging, he started swinging his legs really hard, the rope broke and he went tumbling down in mid-backswing so that his belly was exposed and he fell directly on his stomach and he couldn't break his fall because his hands were tied behind his back for the hanging and his insides split open.
Come on, the Bible has needed FAR more creativity than this, surely we can put our heads together and come up with something.
Dear gosh but this is such a gory religion. I mean I'm sorry, folks, but...really now.
The sacrifices are very specific and it is really interesting to somebody who loves the law. The Red Heifer, the Passover lamb, the rams of Shavuot, the Yom Kippur Goats, the Sukkot Bull.
You hear Christians proclaim,'' Jesus was all the sacrifices,'' and while this is said in general, it is true as far as proving that he died as each one of those sacrifices, and each little law of each sacrifice had to be represented in the stories using all kinds of people and things to fulfill each and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
You make fun, but this is a story of genius, a masterpiece in itself that is so intricate on so many levels as to be able to prove God itself because it has a secret language behind it and it's own repeating design.
The story of Judas trying to hang himself is wrapped up in a fine woven piece of genius that proves Jesus not only died as all those sacrifices but that his story followed every single law of sacrifice.
We are given extreme details in what is to done with each sacrifice from cutting the head off and putting it in it's place or a sacrifice outside the city as the red heifer, it is a science not unlike any science because it is so layered and extremely demanding in exactness.
While Judas was betraying Jesus, it was a repeat of exactly what happened in the garden of Eden only the roles were reversed. God had come to the garden looking for Adam and Adam hid amongst the trees, and the Earth was put into mankind's hands and mankind came looking for God in the Garden where Jesus replied,'' I am he,'' and everyone fell down and then the judgment began.
Every story of Jesus has a beginning, the story keeps repeating itself and the fact that nations were created out of this history and history keeps repeating itself proves that it is by design.
Judas is a picture of mankind, it's not just a story of somebody's life. Judas represented the intention and left hand of Jesus while John was the head in the middle and Jesus at the right hand side. These 3 were in the garden and they have been in every story, and the design of the Temple shows the 3 sections with 3 types of people. Then we see Jesus on the cross representing the creation with one on the left, and one on the right.
We are shown what the kingdom of heaven is in Temple design in 3 sections and we are shown the transfiguration where a Prophet, a priest and a king stood on 3 peaks.
3 disciples asked if they should build 3 Sukkahs for the 3 and those 3 disciples represented one.
Peter and the two sons of Thunder looking at Elijah, Moses, and Jesus. A Prophet, a priest, and a king and who can deny that this is the kingdom?
We each have a head and we are each of two minds between the struggle of flesh and spirit and we are the one who decides, but whatever we have done, we have done by 3, and we agree.
Your frequent denials of the existence of God, and of the resurrection of Jesus are emotionally based as a result of the anger, bitterness, and hatred you carry with you as shown in your many posts. Your denials are not based on a lack of evidence.
Historians and scholars whether Christian or secular, (not all among the secular historians of course as there are few things on which there is 100 percent agreement), disagree with you. While secular scholars obviously don't believe that Jesus was actually resurrected, they recognize that the disciples believed that they saw the resurrected Jesus. However, the best explanation as to why the disciples believed that they saw the risen Jesus is because they really did.
But again, people can simply refer to my posts on the other two threads.
"However, the best explanation as to why the disciples believed that they saw the risen Jesus is because they really did." (Mike555)
This is a gross misuse of the word "best."
Best
adjective
1. of the highest quality, excellence, or standing:
2. most advantageous, suitable, or desirable:
The claim that the corpse of Jesus came back to life and then subsequently flew away is in fact the LEAST likely of all possible conclusions. That it happens to be your preferred conclusion cannot alter this obvious fact, and stating it firmly does not alter things either.
"lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first." (Matt. 27:64)
Since an empty grave and missing corpse are OVERWHELMINGLY more likely to be the results of actions taken by the living then they are to be the results of actions taken by the corpse itself, and since Gospel Matthew tells us implicitly that the priests believed that the followers of Jesus had a plan to do that very thing, the "best" answer to the question of the missing corpse and the origin of the story of the "risen" Jesus, is that his followers relocated his body and spread the false rumor that he had been resurrected. Who witnessed the resurrected dead man? His followers and ONLY his followers. And where was the "risen" man now? He bodily lifted up into the sky and disappeared into the clouds. According to his followers and ONLY his followers. The story of the risen Jesus was widely regarded as a false rumor and a hoax at the time by the very people in the "best" position to know what actually occurred, the Jewish population of Jerusalem, who considered it a hoax perpetrated by the followers of Jesus "until this day." (Matthew 28:15)
"However, the best explanation as to why the disciples believed that they saw the risen Jesus is because they really did." (Mike555)
This is a gross misuse of the word "best."
Best
adjective
1. of the highest quality, excellence, or standing:
2. most advantageous, suitable, or desirable:
The claim that the corpse of Jesus came back to life and then subsequently flew away is in fact the LEAST likely of all possible conclusions. That it happens to be your preferred conclusion cannot alter this obvious fact, and stating it firmly does not alter things either.
"lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first." (Matt. 27:64)
Since an empty grave and missing corpse are OVERWHELMINGLY more likely to be the results of actions taken by the living then they are to be the results of actions taken by the corpse itself, and since Gospel Matthew tells us implicitly that the priests believed that the followers of Jesus had a plan to do that very thing, the "best" answer to the question of the missing corpse and the origin of the story of the "risen" Jesus, is that his followers relocated his body and spread the false rumor that he had been resurrected. Who witnessed the resurrected dead man? His followers and ONLY his followers. And where was the "risen" man now? He bodily lifted up into the sky and disappeared into the clouds. According to his followers and ONLY his followers. The story of the risen Jesus was widely regarded as a false rumor and a hoax at the time by the very people in the "best" position to know what actually occurred, the Jewish population of Jerusalem, who considered it a hoax perpetrated by the followers of Jesus "until this day." (Matthew 28:15)
That IS the obvious and "best" answer.
See post #4.
Last edited by Michael Way; 12-11-2015 at 02:24 PM..
On this thread I am simply referring readers to what I have already posted on other threads in which I have provided information which scholars, including critical scholars who study in the area of Jesus' resurrection regard as historically valid. What you or anyone else do with that information is your affair. We're done here.
Last edited by Tired of the Nonsense; 12-11-2015 at 05:29 PM..
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