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Old 02-22-2016, 04:02 AM
 
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Could have been in the pages of Brother Lawrence's The Practice of the Presence of God....or a Quaker Faith and Practice/
Please do not compare what he said to the words of Brother Lawrence ! There is quite a big difference between the lives of these two men
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Old 02-22-2016, 06:54 AM
 
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Please do not compare what he said to the words of Brother Lawrence ! There is quite a big difference between the lives of these two men
Another quote that might have come from that source is "The Bible is not God, and I will always take the time to rest this soul.
However, I have no need to follow the rules and observances of men." Jerwade.
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Old 02-22-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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The commandment of Sabbath does not say what day is the seventh. It only says that one should rest on the seventh day. Only the Jews were given Saturday as a national Sabbath when God brought them out of Egypt and established their own Calendar that was unique to them only and all the rest of the laws.

The Gentles however as Scripture says, were not given the written Law yet do by nature some of those things contained in the law and especially the ten commandments because they are common to the well being of mankind.

Sabbath as a general principle for well being and not as any particular day, was given to man for a day of restful benefit and not for man to serve as a particular day of an unmovable law as Jesus alluded to. Life is too complex and the job needs so varied that to have a strict structured Sabbath observance in societies and especially in this day and age what be a disaster. And yet all must seek rest but according to when he can. Therefor the Sabbath command has served to teach us the point that God cares for our well being but of what Sabbath a man keeps for himself is no ones business.

The New Testament is clear that we are not under the Law and neither are the Jews but many still cling to the Old and they want to impose it on others.
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Old 02-22-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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Isn't the alternative to believe that you are damned because you can't perform the required forms? No, it is not the forms that are required.
Being damned is a Christian theme...
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Old 02-22-2016, 08:31 AM
 
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The commandment of Sabbath does not say what day is the seventh. It only says that one should rest on the seventh day. Only the Jews were given Saturday as a national Sabbath when God brought them out of Egypt and established their own Calendar that was unique to them only and all the rest of the laws.

The Gentles however as Scripture says, were not given the written Law yet do by nature some of those things contained in the law and especially the ten commandments because they are common to the well being of mankind.

Sabbath as a general principle for well being and not as any particular day, was given to man for a day of restful benefit and not for man to serve as a particular day of an unmovable law as Jesus alluded to. Life is too complex and the job needs so varied that to have a strict structured Sabbath observance in societies and especially in this day and age what be a disaster. And yet all must seek rest but according to when he can. Therefor the Sabbath command has served to teach us the point that God cares for our well being but of what Sabbath a man keeps for himself is no ones business.

The New Testament is clear that we are not under the Law and neither are the Jews but many still cling to the Old and they want to impose it on others.
You do not know the Tanakh very well, do you?...
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Old 02-22-2016, 08:34 AM
 
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Another quote that might have come from that source is "The Bible is not God, and I will always take the time to rest this soul.
However, I have no need to follow the rules and observances of men." Jerwade.
LOL, and neither is the person in question ! nor is he anything like brother Lawrence !
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Old 02-22-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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You do not know the Tanakh very well, do you?...
Tell us then, what does the Tanackh say about the Sabbath? If your going to refute what I say then educate us.
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Old 02-22-2016, 09:43 AM
 
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This is the calendar that the Lord established for the Jews only and from this calendar a national Sabbath for the Jews only.

EX 12:1 "And the LORD spoke unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,
EX 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
EX 12:3 Speak you unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
EX 12:4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
EX 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
EX 12:6 And you shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening."

The commandment of Sabbath does not say what the seventh day is but the calendar of the Jews does.
Now, tell me Richard, from this commandment what day is the Sabbath?

EX 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
EX 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
EX 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
EX 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it."
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Old 02-22-2016, 10:00 AM
 
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Matthew 28:1 sabbath is pre risen sabbath, Saturday. Acts 20:7, risen Christ, Sunday. Both verses italicizes day. The italic is important as day is symbolic of the memory of Christ when stated after his death.. Mark 16:2 it's italics too. Acts 20:7 invoking the memory of Christ while breaking bread is the Sacrament, on Sunday.
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Old 02-22-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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Tell us then, what does the Tanackh say about the Sabbath? If your going to refute what I say then educate us.
It says that any Gentile who keeps the Sabbaths of God and what pleases God should not count himself as a dry tree and counted out of the inheritance of Israel if he does what pleases God, even the gentile who keeps God's Sabbaths will have an inheritance in the mountains of Israel and they will be given a better name than sons or daughters.


Sabbaths and feast days mark you right between your eyes as a memorial between you and God, and upon your right hand.


This is a seal of protection against the day of Judgment and the only way to receive it is by keeping God's Sabbaths, and when you keep another Sabbath, you are also marked by that God between your eyes.


God has his own appointed days and the New Testament does nothing to change this fact, now could it. Jesus didn't come to contradict his father or he couldn't be the Messiah.
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