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So what did Jesus actually mean in those passages?
You mean, what did others say, for most of the Bible is, "he said, she said, they said."
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Matthew 20:28
28 "Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
To free the captives from the bondage of their sinful mindset and religiousness - that kept them crippled and blind.
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Matthew 26:28
28 "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins."
Forgiveness is an acknowledgement of a wrongful act, which recognizes the truth of the matter:
"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
He laid his life down from a position of love and forgiveness; not one foreordained as a penal substitution?
Somehow, you believe things got better, however, syncretistically - it became the Man of Sin or lost child.
Amen, Pleroo!!! Jimmie does not even try to think about the things he has been taught. He simply accepts everything in the Bible as true no matter how absurd or contradictory it is to the Spirit of agape love (Who IS God).
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
You mean, what did others say, for most of the Bible is, "he said, she said, they said." To free the captives from the bondage of their sinful mindset and religiousness - that kept them crippled and blind. Forgiveness is an acknowledgement of a wrongful act, which recognizes the truth of the matter: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." He laid his life down from a position of love and forgiveness; not one foreordained as a penal substitution?
Somehow, you believe things got better, however, syncretistically - it became the Man of Sin or lost child.
... following the children (sons) of corruption.
Jimmie does not really understand what the phrase "God IS agape love" really means. Like Clinton, he doesn't seem to know what the meaning of the word "IS" is. It does NOT mean God loves. It means that agape love is the very essence of God. That is why when we love we are "born of God and know God." Being "born of God" is to reproduce God. Every time we produce agape love within our consciousness we reproduce God and those parts of our lives become eternal.
28 "Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”
Or this?
Matthew 26:28
28 "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins."
Neither of those passages say that God was unable to forgive without a blood sacrifice. Who is a ransom paid to Jimmie? Whomever is holding a person captive. If you think God was the one demanding a sacrifice, that means God was the one holding people hostage. Is that really what you believe?
Neither of those passages say that God was unable to forgive without a blood sacrifice. Who is a random paid to Jimmie? Whomever is holding a person captive. If you think God was the one demanding a sacrifice, that means God was the one holding people hostage. Is that really what you believe?
Well said, Pleroo. Jesus paid ransom to the ignorance that held our savage and barbaric ancestors hostage. His body suffered the results of that ignorance and brutality in love for us all, including His torturers and murderers, because they "knew not what they did."
Forgiveness is an acknowledgement of a wrongful act, which recognizes the truth of the matter:
"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
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Originally Posted by little elmer
You just contradicted yourself - read that again...
If you saw a contradiction, I think you misunderstood what Jerwade said. The person forgiving recognizes the truth, though the person being forgiven may not... yet.
You mean, what did others say, for most of the Bible is, "he said, she said, they said."
Code for: I don't believe MOST of the Bible, but I will pick & choose a few select scriptures to make my point.
To free the captives from the bondage of their sinful mindset and religiousness - that kept them crippled and blind.
Why can't you just say the word SIN, you know, like Jesus did?
Forgiveness is an acknowledgement of a wrongful act, which recognizes the truth of the matter:
"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
He laid his life down from a position of love and forgiveness; not one foreordained as a penal substitution?
Somehow, you believe things got better, however, syncretistically - it became the Man of Sin or lost child.
Neither of those passages say that God was unable to forgive without a blood sacrifice. Who is a ransom paid to Jimmie? Whomever is holding a person captive. If you think God was the one demanding a sacrifice, that means God was the one holding people hostage. Is that really what you believe?
Seriously?
My blood of the covenant, which is poured out
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