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I agree, if we are a slave in Christ, we are truly free. The only thing that I might differ with is that I don't believe that it is the excercising of our free will in Christ, but that that we excercise our wills in the freedom of Christ. Those who are outside of Christ are not really free and Jesus came to set the captives (to sin) free. Subjection in God's kingdom is true freedom. Thanks and God bless.
Didn't mention it as excercising our free will in the above post, but I'm glad we could come to an agreement regarding this one.
We are told this heaven and earth will pass away and there will be a new heaven and new earth. Without getting too far into it, I believe we will be in paradise (The original garden) restored with open access and communication with heaven and God like it was in the beginning where the Lord walked among and with Adam.
I dont' believe we will be whipsy winged creatures living on a cloud or whatever hollywood and half the churches come up with these days.
I can't wait. Come Lord Jesus COME! LOL
2Pe 3:10 ...The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
2Pe 3:12 ...That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.
2Pe 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
We are told this heaven and earth will pass away and there will be a new heaven and new earth. Without getting too far into it, I believe we will be in paradise (The original garden) restored with open access and communication with heaven and God like it was in the beginning where the Lord walked among and with Adam.
I dont' believe we will be whipsy winged creatures living on a cloud or whatever hollywood and half the churches come up with these days.
I can't wait. Come Lord Jesus COME! LOL
2Pe 3:10 ...The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
2Pe 3:12 ...That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.
2Pe 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
I agree, if we are a slave in Christ, we are truly free. The only thing that I might differ with is that I don't believe that it is the excercising of our free will in Christ, but that that we excercise our wills in the freedom of Christ. Those who are outside of Christ are not really free and Jesus came to set the captives (to sin) free. Subjection in God's kingdom is true freedom. Thanks and God bless.
The throne of Christ is not slavery, it is freedom. To enter the throne, there must be oneness, nothing unholy will last, nothing unholy may enter.
Our Free-doom is never, ever taken... we can go as low as possible, and as high as possible, the choice is ours. The consequences are pre-set.
God gives us all, and holds nothing back, do we choose to receive it? That is the difference between the least and the greatest.
What is your expectation of Heaven? The bible doesn't go into much detail about it, however, Jesus does indeed give the description of it by stating "the eye has never seen" all of the wonders that God has prepared for those who love him.
To me, I think Heaven would be a place where I would have a loving relationship with my creator, one with laughter and romance. It would be like a never ending love story, except there would be no sad ending to it - and I'd always wake up to the one I loved never having to worry about them leaving. How about you all, what do you think Heaven will be like?
Edit: And before someone says something..I know I don't know for sure if I'll make it there, just wanted to get some thoughts on what you all think Heaven would be like..
Hi, do you believe that all will be subjected to Him? When I think of heaven, I think of God being all in all (1 Cor. 15) God bless.
Heaven means expansion, eternal growth. God's kingdom (Throne) is not permissive to sin.
The kingdom of heaven is within us, it is not a place to go only after death.
God is in all, yet removes His spirit and influence from those that deny Him.
Heaven means expansion, eternal growth. God's kingdom (Throne) is not permissive to sin.
The kingdom of heaven is within us, it is not a place to go only after death.
God is in all, yet removes His spirit and influence from those that deny Him.
We are subject to all of God's systems.
godspeed,
Hi freedom, so you don't believe that all will be subjected to Him eventually that He may be all in all (future event)?
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God is in all
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How do you mean?
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Our Free-doom is never, ever taken... we can go as low as possible, and as high as possible, the choice is ours.
Do you believe that there will be any knee which will not bow before Him in that day and any tongue which will not confess Him?
If we think of heaven as a place or condition where free will/free choice will exist, will there be the possibility for sin? When God becomes all in all will there be the possibility for sin? Will there be a choice? God bless.
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Hi freedom, so you don't believe that all will be subjected to Him eventually that He may be all in all (future event)?
All are subjected to God (His rule) whether we are aware of it or not. So not just the future, but the past and present as well.
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How do you mean?
God has put a part of himself within every child that comes to earth.
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Do you believe that there will be any knee which will not bow before Him in that day and any tongue which will not confess Him?
All will bow, those that do not confess His name will take part in the second death.
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If we think of heaven as a place or condition where free will/free choice will exist, will there be the possibility for sin? When God becomes all in all will there be the possibility for sin? Will there be a choice? God bless.
I believe that there is always free will and choice.
There are those that die in their sins. They continue to sin until they don't, some stay very close to the earth and some go on to higher plains where their education or re-education can continue.
godspeed,
freedom
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