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Old 02-10-2008, 01:12 AM
 
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Hi freedom, so you don't believe that all will be subjected to Him eventually that He may be all in all (future event)?

All are subjected to God (His rule) whether we are aware of it or not. So not just the future, but the past and present as well.
Hi, do you believe that all will be subjected to God so that He will be all in all?

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Do you believe that there will be any knee which will not bow before Him in that day and any tongue which will not confess Him?
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All will bow, those that do not confess His name will take part in the second death.
Do you not believe that all will confess Him? Will anyone have a choice as to whether or not he or she will bow and confess? If some will not confess, what does this say about the declarations of God?


Thank you and God bless.

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Old 02-10-2008, 03:22 AM
 
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I recently watched a Dane Cook comedy special on television and I have to agree with what he thought Heaven would be like. Like an airport terminal, all your family members who have already died are there waiting for you with open arms.
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Old 02-10-2008, 04:50 AM
 
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The throne of Christ is not slavery, it is freedom. To enter the throne, there must be oneness, nothing unholy will last, nothing unholy may enter.

Our Free-doom is never, ever taken... we can go as low as possible, and as high as possible, the choice is ours. The consequences are pre-set.

God gives us all, and holds nothing back, do we choose to receive it? That is the difference between the least and the greatest.

godspeed,

freedom
The throne of Christ is not made up of slavery, as Christ himself is Freedom/Truth personified. Still, a man is a slave to whomever/whatever thing he puts as the highest priority within his life. One who is consummed by zeal for the House of the Lord, becomes a slave to the House of the Lord. However, since the Lord is the living personification of true freedom, then one only becomes free when they are in bondage to him. Seeing as how God shares everything with those whom he allows to put his will first in their lives, one could say that God's slaves aren't really true slaves - they are sons and friends.

Completely removing self will(sin will) and being a slave to the Lord is what we all should pray and ask God to do within our lives to achieve oneness with him, and being called by the Lord his slave is of highest value. By Christ calling an individual his slave, he is asserting complete(100%) ownership and oneness with said individual regarding his will and purpose. When we are slaves of Christ, it is no longer we who are living - but Christ who is living in us.

Grace,

Stephen
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Old 02-10-2008, 05:10 AM
 
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I believe that there is always free will and choice.
There are those that die in their sins. They continue to sin until they don't, some stay very close to the earth and some go on to higher plains where their education or re-education can continue.
This is where I will have to disagree with you. There will not be a choice to eternally disobey God. As of right now in this stage of existence - we have choice to either be a slave to sin(disobedience to God) or a slave to righteousnous(obedience to God). At some point in the future, all will be subjected to righteousnous - and sin/death will no longer exist.

In Christ,

Stephen
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Old 02-10-2008, 11:41 AM
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Lol. Hot rods are cool... John was a fishermen and so was Peter. I'm sure they could teach you a few things..
The fishing thing... I'm good at. Need some help under the hood... so who's the patron saint of hot rods?

I need to know.
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Old 02-10-2008, 11:57 AM
 
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Hi, do you believe that all will be subjected to God so that He will be all in all?
If you mean even those that deny Him as the Sons of Perdition, being absorbed back into the creative substance of God, then yes.
Not all will choose to live according to God's rule. They take part in the second death. Non existence.



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Do you not believe that all will confess Him? Will anyone have a choice as to whether or not he or she will bow and confess? If some will not confess, what does this say about the declarations of God?
What do you mean by confess?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 02-10-2008, 12:00 PM
 
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This is where I will have to disagree with you. There will not be a choice to eternally disobey God. As of right now in this stage of existence - we have choice to either be a slave to sin(disobedience to God) or a slave to righteousnous(obedience to God). At some point in the future, all will be subjected to righteousnous - and sin/death will no longer exist.

In Christ,

Stephen
Death will no longer exist because all those that earned death (2nd death) will have faced their judgement. There are those that will continue to deny God and be destroyed.

Satan and his servants to name a few...

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 02-10-2008, 01:32 PM
 
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Hi, do you believe that all will be subjected to God so that He will be all in all?

If you mean even those that deny Him as the Sons of Perdition, being absorbed back into the creative substance of God, then yes.
Not all will choose to live according to God's rule. They take part in the second death. Non existence.
How can this be if death is to be abolished? Please consider 1 Corinthians 1:20-28. How will all not be subdued and subjected to Him if they refuse to live under God's rule?

"And when all things are subjected to Him (future event); then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, that God may be all in all." (future event)

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Do you not believe that all will confess Him? Will anyone have a choice as to whether or not he or she will bow and confess? If some will not confess, what does this say about the declarations of God?
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What do you mean by confess?
Confess=exomologeo=to confess freely, openly, to profess or acknowledge openly, to thank, to confess by way of celebrating, giving praise (Ref: Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:11)

Thanks and God bless.
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Old 02-10-2008, 01:36 PM
 
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How can this be if death is to be abolished? Please consider 1 Corinthians 1:20-28. How will all not be subdued and subjected to Him if they refuse to live under God's rule?
physical death is the last enemy to be overcome, spiritual death comes after the judgement and completion of this school.

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"And when all things are subjected to Him (future event); then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, that God may be all in all." (future event)
In all those that choose Him, not those that freely choose to follow darkness. Outer darkness and nothingness is reserved for the sons of perdition.



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Confess=exomologeo=to confess freely, openly, to profess or acknowledge openly, to thank, to confess by way of celebrating, giving praise (Ref: Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:11)

Thanks and God bless.
Satan and his followers will never by this definition, confess.
Pride brings the fall, and the fall is to be completed in destruction.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 02-10-2008, 02:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ShanaBrown
How can this be if death is to be abolished? Please consider 1 Corinthians 1:20-28. How will all not be subdued and subjected to Him if they refuse to live under God's rule?

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physical death is the last enemy to be overcome, spiritual death comes after the judgement and completion of this school.
physical death to be abolished meaning no one will be in a state of death forever, nonexistence will not exist forever. I also believe that spiritual death will be abolished because God will be all in all.


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"And when all things are subjected to Him (future event); then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, that God may be all in all." (future event)
In all those that choose Him, not those that freely choose to follow darkness. Outer darkness and nothingness is reserved for the sons of perdition.

It says that all will be subjected that God may be all in all, not only those who choose to follow Him, although I believe that all will choose to follow Him by that time when they are subjected to Him. They will have no choice but to follow.




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Confess=exomologeo=to confess freely, openly, to profess or acknowledge openly, to thank, to confess by way of celebrating, giving praise (Ref: Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:11)


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Satan and his followers will never by this definition, confess.
Pride brings the fall, and the fall is to be completed in destruction.
Do you believe that every human being will bow and confess according to this definition? Will they have a choice to not do it?

Philiipians 2:9-11
"Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father..."


Rev. 5:13
"And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea and all things in them I heard saying, "to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing, and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever (for the ages of the ages)

Isaiah 45
"I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness, and will not turn back, that to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will confess/swear allegiance."

Thanks and God bless.
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