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Old 02-08-2008, 03:50 PM
 
Location: New England
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Man, big BIG subject IMO.

I'm going to try and sort out my thoughts here so I hope this comes out on "paper" the way it is in my head.

We are told to be sly as a serpent and gentle as a dove - a bit of a contradiction on the surface one can say.

Jesus said "turn the other cheek" but he also flipped the money changers tables.

Paul said we are to live at peace with others so long as it is up to us.

We also read that Paul "debated daily" in the public squares and you can read in his letters that they were hot - HOT debates. I mean they stoned him and left him for dead one time!

Can you imagine seeing Paul a few hours later walking back into town with the blood and hair all matted and dried on his head walking up to those who debated him and still not waivering on his stance! WOW! (While I have no proof, my personal belief is Paul was raised from the dead there.)
Act 14:19 Then some Jews came from Antioch and Iconium and won the crowd over. They stoned Paul and dragged him outside the city, thinking he was dead.

Act 14:20 But after the disciples had gathered around him, he got up and went back into the city.
You can also see Paul "writing people off" too...so I guess my point is, it got heated a lot around them in thier day talking "religion" and Paul did not waver on the truth to appease. He did not change his message to make people "feel" better. He also practices kindness and was a peacful man.

I personally don't pull any punches. I'm a between the eyes kind of person, even with myself. But I'm also very kind and loving.

I don't believe shouting in public as someone said "if you divorce you are going to hell" is being "steadfast". I think that is losing focus of the gospel and putting the cart before the horse.

But telling a believer that their stance on "forgiveness" or "salvation" for instance maybe out of line with the bible and debating it is being steadfast.

So is taking a stand that Islam or whatever does NOT hold the key to salvation is what we are called to do. It's what got Paul stoned.

I also believe that speaking reality is not "hate" or "intollerance". If somone is acting a certain way, it's the truth. I'm not going to say otherwise. That would be dishonest. There are as many mush mouths in the church today as misfocused "hot heads" IMO.

We also have to understand that many would be perfectly happy to silence us, and in fact it's their goal. They use "tollerance" as a stepping stone all the while being "intolerant" themselves.

Gilbert K. Chesterton Said it well.

Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

I hope that came out making sense.

Edit: A lot of these things were already said as I was typing them. LOL
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Old 02-08-2008, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Almost everyone who wants it has the truth its called the Holy Bible.
THe Bible does not nor can contain all truth, only the Holy Spirit has that ability.
Though truth will not contradict the accurate interpretation of scripture, which again is only possible by being led by the Holy Spirit.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:05 PM
 
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It contains all the truth that a human need be worried about right?
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Old 02-08-2008, 06:08 PM
 
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It contains all the truth that a human need be worried about right?
Not even close, there is so much to become, and learn. It touches on the greater, but can not disclose the hidden things that only one who lives Christ is privy to.
The purpose of the Holy Spirit is to lead one into ALL truth. No book or books can do that.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:24 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Not even close, there is so much to become, and learn. It touches on the greater, but can not disclose the hidden things that only one who lives Christ is privy to.
The purpose of the Holy Spirit is to lead one into ALL truth. No book or books can do that.

godspeed,

freedom
The Bible is not just another book to me, it's the Word of God and I believe it to be true.
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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The Bible is not just another book to me, it's the Word of God and I believe it to be true.
Good for you!
I believe it to be true as well. Did I say or imply that it was not?
Or are you just commenting on that you agree.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:44 PM
 
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Good for you!
I believe it to be true as well. Did I say or imply that it was not?
Or are you just commenting on that you agree.

godspeed,

freedom
From what you said in post #22 and #24 I got the impression you thought the Bible was not all true and was just another book, I'm glad I'm wrong.
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:49 PM
 
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From what you said in post #22 and #24 I got the impression you thought the Bible was not all true and was just another book, I'm glad I'm wrong.
Oh, To clarify, It is truth, it doesn't contain all truths. That comes from the Holy Spirit, the one that leads us into All truth.

The letter killeth, the spirit maketh alive. We are not meant to be book bound. Once we learn the message, it is meant to be lived, that is where the real learning and growing begins, because in order to do so, one must be in tune with the voice of the spirit.

Even to the point where we only do what we see the Father do.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:18 PM
 
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1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:24 PM
 
Location: southern california
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tolerance is good.
however prolonged use
results in a blurring of a sense
of principle.
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