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Old 06-05-2016, 08:57 PM
 
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What are your thoughts on this please
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Old 06-05-2016, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Good Muslims go the same place so-so Atheists, semi-moral Christians, mean Animists and everybody else goes when they die.

Only the length of the journey and the degree of comfort may vary with the individual.
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Old 06-05-2016, 09:14 PM
 
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Only God (YWHW) could determine that, the best you will get is opinions.

But we ALL HAVE SINNED.

Romans 3:23-26
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.



Confess your sins and be covered by the blood of Christ
Romans 10:9-11
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[a]

Ephesians 2:8-11
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.


Narrow is the way to eternal life
Matthew 7:14
14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.


JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”



Many Muslims problem is that they reject Jesus as nothing more than a prophet, so they reject the free gift of grace to cover their sins.
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Old 06-05-2016, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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Believe on Jesus Christ as your righteousness...period.
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Old 06-05-2016, 10:07 PM
 
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Many Muslims problem is that they reject Jesus as nothing more than a prophet, so they reject the free gift of grace to cover their sins.
Muslims also see Jesus are their (and the Jewish) Messiah. But Christians don't often understand that king David and Cyrus are called Messiahs in the idol scriptures of the Ancient Jews (called O.T. by Ancient Christians).

Muslims believe whatever they want about good "people of the book" and many believe that for a Muslim to get to heaven (or greater heavens) is easier than for a Christian or a Jew or a Sabian (mystery religion, but probably apostates and different sect of Abrahamist -- perhaps Psalmists, John-the-Baptistists, or Harranians, etc. which still believed in Monotheism and Judgement Day).

Still, Muslims believe a "good" Christian, Jew, or Sabian still gets to heaven (or lower heavens, perhaps).

Of course, Christians who rail against Islam or who worship Jesus as being a Triune God instead of only worshiping One God as God (and Jesus as the Messiah) are not really being "good" Christians in most Monotheist Muslim's views.
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Old 06-06-2016, 03:20 AM
 
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Unless people are born of the Spirit of God and repented through water they will not see the kingdom of Heaven ............ See according to the Koran if any one has a debt to pay then they will have to go back to the earth after they die and pay their debt ......... Well Jesus on the judgment of the cross is the only one to pay for the debt of sin for all who will come and accept
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Old 06-06-2016, 04:38 AM
 
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According to my understanding of the Bible all people will eventually have a share in the world to come, but only true Christians "go to heaven" though I do not like this phrase, it is imprecise and conveys wrong notions.

But no, decent Muslims or any other decent people who are no true believers have no share in the reign of Christ.
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Old 06-06-2016, 05:07 AM
 
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What are your thoughts on this please
Why wouldn't they? Do Blacks go to heaven? Asians? Baptists? Catholics?
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Old 06-06-2016, 05:09 AM
 
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According to my understanding of the Bible all people will eventually have a share in the world to come, but only true Christians "go to heaven" though I do not like this phrase, it is imprecise and conveys wrong notions.

But no, decent Muslims or any other decent people who are no true believers have no share in the reign of Christ.
What are you going to do!?
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Old 06-06-2016, 05:11 AM
 
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Only God (YWHW) could determine that, the best you will get is opinions.

But we ALL HAVE SINNED.

Romans 3:23-26
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.



Confess your sins and be covered by the blood of Christ
Romans 10:9-11
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[a]

Ephesians 2:8-11
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.


Narrow is the way to eternal life
Matthew 7:14
14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.


JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”



Many Muslims problem is that they reject Jesus as nothing more than a prophet, so they reject the free gift of grace to cover their sins.
Just curious how John 3:16 and Jon 6:40 convey the misconception that Jesus died for our sins?
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