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True followers of Jesus do not question the Sovereignty of God. Regardless of His perfect reasons for placing opposing forces within one realm, God has given mankind free will. Some choose to follow Christ to the promise of salvation, others choose to chase after the gods of this world.
Romans 9:20 -
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
Self-contradictory.
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Originally Posted by First24
How so?
Your statement contains or expresses contradictory elements. However, the threat of
a good beating for talking back - should keep humanity on the straight and narrow?
Your statement contains or expresses contradictory elements. However, the threat of
a good beating for talking back - should keep humanity on the straight and narrow?
You're the only one who has mentioned anything about punishment by God for "talking back". Who knows but the Creator how He will deal with those in humanity who question His sovereignty.
Fine. So answer the question? Who put the lying spirit into the mouths of Ahab's prophets?
You've already been answered. The spirit that approached God was allowed into the mouths of the FALSE prophets chosen by Ahab. God did not use that spirit through His own prophets.
If Ahab would have listened to God's prophets instead of his own, he would not have been enticed into battle.
Your statement contains or expresses contradictory elements. However, the threat of
a good beating for talking back - should keep humanity on the straight and narrow?
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Originally Posted by First24
You're the only one who has mentioned anything about punishment by God for "talking back."
Who knows but the Creator, how He will deal with those in humanity who question His sovereignty.
Eternal torment is beyond any kind of correction or punishment.
Or, did you forget what this thread was actually referencing?
At one time in your life, you were a child and depended on adults for your well being. You put your faith in them even though you knew nothing about how to sustain yourself. You knew nothing as a child, yet you put faith in adults to feed you and keep you safe.
Your faith is as good as the peopel you put your faith in. You trust parents to love you, and they do (in most normal situations). For me, putting faith in God and Jesus Christ is more reliable than my parents, based on who He is.
You really didn't answer either of my question. Would you please revisit my post and do so?
Eternal torment is beyond any kind of correction or punishment.
Or, did you forget what this thread was actually referencing?
The comments of mine you initially referenced was my response to another poster.
I do take God at His Word, that there will be punishment for the haters of God. Who is man to tell the Creator what type of punishment is "beyond" anything.
I do take God at His Word, that there will be punishment for the haters of God.
Who is man to tell the Creator what type of punishment is "beyond" anything.
Infinite punishment for a finite life is preposterous, utterly absurd or ridiculously daft.
And, it is contrary to that of having common sense or the ability to reason, rationally.
The comments of mine you initially referenced was my response to another poster.
I do take God at His Word, that there will be punishment for the haters of God. Who is man to tell the Creator what type of punishment is "beyond" anything.
The moral man. Infinite punishment for finite crimes (sins) is not only unjust but diabolical.
Infinite punishment for a finite life is preposterous, utterly absurd or ridiculously daft.
And, it is contrary to that of having common sense or the ability to reason, rationally.
Jesus is not equal to Adam in what comes of His obedience to the cross. Nor is Jesus a lesser than Adam in what comes of His obedience to the cross. Jesus' obedience and what comes of it for all mankind is far superior to Adam's one act and what all mankind receive from that. (See Romans 5:18,19).
When all is said and done--you can take the words of Jesus to the bank---FEW will find the road to life( eternal)--this is exactly what his real teachers teach.
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