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06-28-2016, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
One way of summing up the gospel of Jesus Christ is to say that all the religions which promise, that if you do the right things then you will be on the side of God and He will take care of you, are all a lie and a cheat. What really matters is changing who you are in your very heart and soul to embrace love and decency to your fellow human beings. And while this is generally impossible for us to do by ourselves, God can if we seek His help.
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Could not have said it better. |
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06-28-2016, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nateswift
Could not have said it better.
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As I questioned in the other thread, why is this perceived as only possible through the Christian God. Do not other individuals in other religions and non-religions treat others with love and decency? |
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06-28-2016, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
As I questioned in the other thread, why is this perceived as only possible through the Christian God. Do not other individuals in other religions and non-religions treat others with love and decency?
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I believe only strict, zealots hold to the idea it can only be a christian god...there are many who believe it is NOT "which" god, but rather how we respond to the heart that matters. |
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06-28-2016, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
As I questioned in the other thread, why is this perceived as only possible through the Christian God. Do not other individuals in other religions and non-religions treat others with love and decency?
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And as I responded on the other thread, do you see anything that indicates exclusivity? You are not looking for answers, you are looking for ways to fit answers into your narrative so you can demonstrate the smug superiority of your analysis. |
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06-28-2016, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
As I questioned in the other thread, why is this perceived as only possible through the Christian God. Do not other individuals in other religions and non-religions treat others with love and decency?
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Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28
I believe only strict, zealots hold to the idea it can only be a christian god...there are many who believe it is NOT "which" god, but rather how we respond to the heart that matters.
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Right. In all my time posting here, I have never gotten the impression from nate that those of us who are not Christians are incapable of treating others with love and decency.
That being said, Mitchell did say: "And while this is generally impossible for us to do by ourselves, God can if we seek His help." Which might be taken to mean that those who do not believe in the existence of God find love and decency impossible.
I would only say this ... IF God IS love, as the Christian bible claims, then anyone who has a desire to treat others with love and decency IS seeking that God, whether they believe in God's existence or not. |
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06-28-2016, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
Right. In all my time posting here, I have never gotten the impression from nate that those of us who are not Christians are incapable of treating others with love and decency.
That being said, Mitchell did say: "And while this is generally impossible for us to do by ourselves, God can if we seek His help." Which might be taken to mean that those who do not believe in the existence of God find love and decency impossible.
I would only say this ... IF God IS love, as the Christian bible claims, then anyone who has a desire to treat others with love and decency IS seeking that God, whether they believe in God's existence or not.
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Thank you, Pleroo. I believe you have caught the point of what Mitchell was saying. |
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06-28-2016, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
Right. In all my time posting here, I have never gotten the impression from nate that those of us who are not Christians are incapable of treating others with love and decency.
That being said, Mitchell did say: "And while this is generally impossible for us to do by ourselves, God can if we seek His help." Which might be taken to mean that those who do not believe in the existence of God find love and decency impossible.
I would only say this ... IF God IS love, as the Christian bible claims, then anyone who has a desire to treat others with love and decency IS seeking that God, whether they believe in God's existence or not.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
Thank you, Pleroo. I believe you have caught the point of what Mitchell was saying.
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She is really good at that, nate!!  |
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06-28-2016, 08:36 PM
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And as I responded on the other thread, do you see anything that indicates exclusivity? You are not looking for answers, you are looking for ways to fit answers into your narrative so you can demonstrate the smug superiority of your analysis.
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It seems quite obvious, after reading the entire post again, that the poster is referring to the Christian God, the only God belief that refers to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Also the poster mentions that the other religions that believe differently from this gospel are lies and cheats. I don't know that its so much me fitting answers as much as the quite obvious stringent beliefs of the poster, though I could be wrong. |
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06-28-2016, 08:36 PM
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The message of Christ is not in any of the above posts.
The message of Christ is here.
John 3:14-17 - "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
1 John 5:11-12 - And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
1 Peter 3:18 - For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit
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06-28-2016, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
Right. In all my time posting here, I have never gotten the impression from nate that those of us who are not Christians are incapable of treating others with love and decency.
That being said, Mitchell did say: "And while this is generally impossible for us to do by ourselves, God can if we seek His help." Which might be taken to mean that those who do not believe in the existence of God find love and decency impossible.
I would only say this ... IF God IS love, as the Christian bible claims, then anyone who has a desire to treat others with love and decency IS seeking that God, whether they believe in God's existence or not.
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Isn't this only relabeling love as being God? Mitchell seems to be saying that we must seek God's help to treat others lovingly and decent, as preemption to being able to do so, not as a result of doing so. Maybe Mitchell should clear this up for us. |
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