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If that's true, why does god let the devil exist. You guys never think anything through.
In your opinion, has god or the devil been on my side for the last 45 years?
All of it has been thought through well before we thought it through. Satan challenged God's right to rule with A&Es betrayal. God has allowed the Devil to make his point. Like a 'know-it-all' in a classroom challenges the teacher that they are not leading right and they can do better. The teacher looks at all the other students in class and knows there are only three options. Let the student lead which will make a disaster. But nothing the teacher can't correct. Or wipe out everyone in the class and start all over with a new group of students. If the teacher does nothing there will be many that will follow the other student to their demise. So God went with option one. Let the Devil prove his point. Which ended in failure. Now we are just waiting for mankind to do finish their turn. So no one can say, 'you didn't give them a turn'.
As far what side you are on, 2 Tim 3:13 says there are people 'misleading and being misled'. Most people don't really know or care who they are following. Just as long as they get to do whatever they want. Jesus said, 'happy are those aware of their spiritual need'. More and more people starting to careless about that. A person must first honestly determine what the right side is. Even if it is not what they want.
But since "eternal fire" is a misunderstanding which God would never do to anyone anyway, God is not saving anyone from Himself but rather saving all mankind from sin and death.
But, yes, if eternal fire were true, then believing in God is a form of fire insurance. Loving that kind of God is a form of fire insurance. Worshiping that kind of God is a form of fire insurance.
Good post.
If eternal (aionios) meant eternal, then why would Origen speak of "“life after aionios life”?
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If eternal (aionios) meant eternal, then why would Origen speak of "“life after aionios life”?
Right. And why did the Greeks talk about the aionios games when referring to the Olympics. Did they really think those games were eternal in the past and future?
All of it has been thought through well before we thought it through. Satan challenged God's right to rule with A&Es betrayal. God has allowed the Devil to make his point. Like a 'know-it-all' in a classroom challenges the teacher that they are not leading right and they can do better. The teacher looks at all the other students in class and knows there are only three options. Let the student lead which will make a disaster. But nothing the teacher can't correct. Or wipe out everyone in the class and start all over with a new group of students. If the teacher does nothing there will be many that will follow the other student to their demise. So God went with option one. Let the Devil prove his point. Which ended in failure. Now we are just waiting for mankind to do finish their turn. So no one can say, 'you didn't give them a turn'.
As far what side you are on, 2 Tim 3:13 says there are people 'misleading and being misled'. Most people don't really know or care who they are following. Just as long as they get to do whatever they want. Jesus said, 'happy are those aware of their spiritual need'. More and more people starting to careless about that. A person must first honestly determine what the right side is. Even if it is not what they want.
Did god know everything satan will do before it created satan?
Did god know everything satan will do before it created satan?
No. Jude 6 says, "And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day." Their original position was on God's side in heaven but they forsook that position for their own selfish purposes. God's power of foreknowledge is not always in use, otherwise God would be a slave to His own power. Isaiah 55:11 says what God says to happen will happen and it doesn't return to Him without results. If that kind of power was always in use then God would control everything. Yet He doesn't so that we can be free people.
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Can satan do anything god doesn't approve of?
"the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil." - 1 John 3:8
There is nothing that Satan does that God approves. In fact everything the God does is to counteract what Satan does.
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Guys still aren't thinking for yourselves.
Why should I reinvent the wheel when the Bible has answers? Indeed the spirit of the world is 'think for yourself'. On somethings it's fine to think for ourselves. But not on matters of what God's will and truth is.
Satan can only do that which God assigns him to do. (see Job).
Not assigns, allows. In Job Satan was the one that brought up the challenge first. God allowed Satan to prove his point. Never did God tell Satan, 'Hey Satan come over there and dump curses on Job.' Job spoke the truth, "Far be it from the true God to act wickedly, And the Almighty to act unjustly!" (Job 34:10) For Jehovah to invite someone to do something wicked would make Him wicked. According to scripture and even Job, God being wicked is 'unthinkable'.
No. Jude 6 says, "And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day." Their original position was on God's side in heaven but they forsook that position for their own selfish purposes.
In relation to biblical theology, what you say above has NOTHING with that Satan guy. That is a whole other mythical story.
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There is nothing that Satan does that God approves. In fact everything the God does is to counteract what Satan does.
The fact that he SUPPOSEDLY exists is enough of an approval.
No. Jude 6 says, "And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day." Their original position was on God's side in heaven but they forsook that position for their own selfish purposes. God's power of foreknowledge is not always in use, otherwise God would be a slave to His own power. Isaiah 55:11 says what God says to happen will happen and it doesn't return to Him without results. If that kind of power was always in use then God would control everything. Yet He doesn't so that we can be free people.
"the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil." - 1 John 3:8
There is nothing that Satan does that God approves. In fact everything the God does is to counteract what Satan does.
Why should I reinvent the wheel when the Bible has answers? Indeed the spirit of the world is 'think for yourself'. On somethings it's fine to think for ourselves. But not on matters of what God's will and truth is.
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Of course He did.
Satan can only do that which God assigns him to do. (see Job).
Who says we are supposed to?
So which one of you are correct?
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