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Old 07-05-2016, 11:17 PM
 
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Something just seems utterly weird about the whole thing. Seems like some kind of warped extortion, doesn't it? God has a cauldron of eternal fire some place awaiting all those who do not worship and patronize him or accept his "gift" so it is best to have him save you from what he can do to you. If it is not the fear of that (as I know not all Christians believe in the eternal barbecue), then it is some other fear God has control over, so aren't saved folks feeling the need to be saved BY God FROM said God?

Please forgive me if I cannot wrap my mind around this one, but strip away all the religio-speak, isn't this what is going on?
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:43 PM
 
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It is what it is.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:47 AM
 
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Something just seems utterly weird about the whole thing. Seems like some kind of warped extortion, doesn't it? God has a cauldron of eternal fire some place awaiting all those who do not worship and patronize him or accept his "gift" so it is best to have him save you from what he can do to you. If it is not the fear of that (as I know not all Christians believe in the eternal barbecue), then it is some other fear God has control over, so aren't saved folks feeling the need to be saved BY God FROM said God?

Please forgive me if I cannot wrap my mind around this one, but strip away all the religio-speak, isn't this what is going on?
You raise a good point there!

As you say, there is something utterly weird about the whole thing.

Eternal barbecue!
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Something just seems utterly weird about the whole thing. Seems like some kind of warped extortion, doesn't it? God has a cauldron of eternal fire some place awaiting all those who do not worship and patronize him or accept his "gift" so it is best to have him save you from what he can do to you. If it is not the fear of that (as I know not all Christians believe in the eternal barbecue), then it is some other fear God has control over, so aren't saved folks feeling the need to be saved BY God FROM said God?

Please forgive me if I cannot wrap my mind around this one, but strip away all the religio-speak, isn't this what is going on?
That is pretty much what different Christians are divided about here. Some worship this god who is like a mafia godfather with a big protection racket going on, while others like myself see this as being a result of Christianity twisted into a tool of power. After all, doesn't it make sense that the god you worship is going to exemplify the things you value most? If it all about power then it is hardly surprising you worship a god of power rather than a God of Love. The other Christians here, see something quite different in the Bible and reject this nonsense to insist Christianity must be cleanse of such poison along with the blood sacrifices, misogyny, and slavery of the the ancient Israelites.
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Old 07-06-2016, 03:47 AM
 
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God saves His children from His wrath .......Then the control of God , is a good thing , as it aligns His children into God lead in the spirit which they will receive His blessing , as people are more attuned to lead their own life through Independence , God can lead people through the spirit so they will be closer to God ....... See Heaven will be what Gods spirit says is ``bliss`` which is defined as reach perfect happiness , joy, pleasure, delight, ............ Where not going to heaven will not be bliss for sure
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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Something just seems utterly weird about the whole thing. Seems like some kind of warped extortion, doesn't it? God has a cauldron of eternal fire some place awaiting all those who do not worship and patronize him or accept his "gift" so it is best to have him save you from what he can do to you. If it is not the fear of that (as I know not all Christians believe in the eternal barbecue), then it is some other fear God has control over, so aren't saved folks feeling the need to be saved BY God FROM said God?

Please forgive me if I cannot wrap my mind around this one, but strip away all the religio-speak, isn't this what is going on?
The "I'm Saved" doctrine is nothing more than Satanic blasphemous filth because it causes the believer to think that he or she is better than God. THEY decide that they are going to heaven, regardless of what God thinks.
They believe that even if they commit murder, rape, or some other heinous crime, they will STILL be going to Heaven.
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Old 07-06-2016, 07:43 AM
 
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Something just seems utterly weird about the whole thing. Seems like some kind of warped extortion, doesn't it? God has a cauldron of eternal fire some place awaiting all those who do not worship and patronize him or accept his "gift" so it is best to have him save you from what he can do to you. If it is not the fear of that (as I know not all Christians believe in the eternal barbecue), then it is some other fear God has control over, so aren't saved folks feeling the need to be saved BY God FROM said God?

Please forgive me if I cannot wrap my mind around this one, but strip away all the religio-speak, isn't this what is going on?
Regarding the thread title - yes that's correct.

On a smaller scale - that's what parents do. When a parent gives an instruction and ends it with, "you better do this, or else" - the parent is trying to save the kid from, the parent.
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Old 07-06-2016, 11:28 AM
 
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The "I'm Saved" doctrine is nothing more than Satanic blasphemous filth because it causes the believer to think that he or she is better than God. THEY decide that they are going to heaven, regardless of what God thinks.
They believe that even if they commit murder, rape, or some other heinous crime, they will STILL be going to Heaven.
Nonsense, as usual from this poster.


God has already decided. Man only accepts God's provision, or not. John 3:16. Anyone who says they're a Christian, but willfully sins, is probably not. 2 Cor. 5:17


Read your Bible, John.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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Something just seems utterly weird about the whole thing. Seems like some kind of warped extortion, doesn't it? God has a cauldron of eternal fire some place awaiting all those who do not worship and patronize him or accept his "gift" so it is best to have him save you from what he can do to you. If it is not the fear of that (as I know not all Christians believe in the eternal barbecue), then it is some other fear God has control over, so aren't saved folks feeling the need to be saved BY God FROM said God?

Please forgive me if I cannot wrap my mind around this one, but strip away all the religio-speak, isn't this what is going on?
But since "eternal fire" is a misunderstanding which God would never do to anyone anyway, God is not saving anyone from Himself but rather saving all mankind from sin and death.

But, yes, if eternal fire were true, then believing in God is a form of fire insurance. Loving that kind of God is a form of fire insurance. Worshiping that kind of God is a form of fire insurance.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:56 PM
 
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The "I'm Saved" doctrine is nothing more than Satanic blasphemous filth because it causes the believer to think that he or she is better than God. THEY decide that they are going to heaven, regardless of what God thinks.
The above part is false.

The part below is correct.
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They believe that even if they commit murder, rape, or some other heinous crime, they will STILL be going to Heaven.
We are not saved due to anything we do or do not do. Heaven is not merit based. Salvation is purely an unearned gift from God. We cannot lose it due to any heinous crime we may do nor to we gain it by not doing any heinous crime.
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