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Old 09-23-2016, 08:42 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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No, it is not, and it is also not what the people he mentions believe. It is a shame some people make a hobby out of misrepresenting the beliefs of others.

The answer to the question (why the men were not allowed in) is repeated over and over and over in the Bible.

The New Testament repeats some 200 times we are saved through faith.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"

"When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit"

"Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire"

"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God"

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death"

"They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might"
All true.
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Old 09-23-2016, 08:43 AM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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obviously to indicate that they were hypocrites; not to distance them from some group who said they were Christians. Unless you can think of a group of people who go around claiming miracles and exorcisms and Christ's Name that would not be considered "Christians."
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Old 09-23-2016, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Answer the question.
I'm sorry, I thought that you had enough intelligence to see that this IS an answer. Let me make it plainer to you. Clearly those people who professed Christ (Lord, Lord) were not operating in love and therefore not "known" to Him. A profession of Christ without the commitment to living in the Way He taught has NO merit, it is like the seed sown on rocky ground. Reread THAT parable.
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:10 AM
 
Location: New England
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Jesus told us that He was giving us a "New Commandment," to love one another...,and that love fulfilled the Law. What would you call it if those people operated without love?
Because they were not abiding in the love of God. Faith does not only WORK within the Ranks of Christianity.
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:16 AM
 
Location: New England
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why did jesus say to those who told him what they were doing in his name say they were practicing lawlessness?
Knowing what I know about your beliefs shared on here, I am certain you practice lawlessness too. Anything not rooted in love is lawlessness. The whole law is fulfilled by love and faith expressed in love is what God recognizes, not for a free ticket to heaven like you lot believe, but for building ourselves and the recipient of that love up.

I do not care what you, Finn, Hamfan and Vizio say, you are work orientated, as in you believe you have to DO something to be saved by the false gospel you believe in.
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Old 09-23-2016, 11:18 AM
 
Location: New England
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Omega, you have had your questions answered even the ones you didn't ask me. Now could you kindly tell me why Jesus told those who DID perform miracles, cast out demons and prophesied were told by him I never knew you ?.
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Old 09-23-2016, 12:00 PM
 
Location: New England
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I'm sorry, I thought that you had enough intelligence to see that this IS an answer. Let me make it plainer to you. Clearly those people who professed Christ (Lord, Lord) were not operating in love and therefore not "known" to Him. A profession of Christ without the commitment to living in the Way He taught has NO merit, it is like the seed sown on rocky ground. Reread THAT parable.
The problem is, he like Finn Jarber only want to hear what they want to hear. They are living proof that you cannot reason with a bible fundamentalist.

Works is a dirty word to them, that unsettles them because their faith is based on a belief system that somehow excuses them from growing in Christ by being rooted and established in love so that we grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, (i'm once saved always saved now and as long as i desired to be good that is acceptable to God). They don't want to hear anything that conflicts with their belief system that needs protecting at all costs by them,because regardless of what is being told them, because they then would have to make a choice, a choice that is painful, especially when something that you have believed a life time is now being exposed for what it is. It is exactly what Jesus meant when he said men loved darkness(in the case of the fundy, the darkness of their beliefs). Paul gladly said he counted all things to be dung to gain the excellency of knowing the bible, sorry i meant Christ.

It's rather telling how they demand answers but never answer questions themselves, they disappear for a few pages and then claim they have answered questions and in a very unchrist like manner refuse to assist you in where they claim they answered you. The pharisees did the same thing, continually questioned Jesus, but disappeared when Jesus turned and asked them questions.
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Old 09-23-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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All true.
Important things are repeated often in the bible, and nothing is repeated more than salvation by faith.

Talking about agape love etc is nice, but it ends up being the legalistic way, and hypocritical if you talk about it, but can't walk it. Also, some people try too hard to appear "agape loving", and end up approving the wrong things. Will Jesus open the door to people who say "Lord, Lord, we promoted gay marriage and abortion IN YOUR NAME". I will let Jesus decide, but I have my doubts.
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Old 09-23-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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The problem is, he like Finn Jarber only want to hear what they want to hear. They are living proof that you cannot reason with a bible fundamentalist.

Works is a dirty word to them, that unsettles them because their faith is based on a belief system that somehow excuses them from growing in Christ by being rooted and established in love so that we grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, (i'm once saved always saved now and as long as i desired to be good that is acceptable to God). They don't want to hear anything that conflicts with their belief system that needs protecting at all costs by them,because regardless of what is being told them, because they then would have to make a choice, a choice that is painful, especially when something that you have believed a life time is now being exposed for what it is. It is exactly what Jesus meant when he said men loved darkness(in the case of the fundy, the darkness of their beliefs). Paul gladly said he counted all things to be dung to gain the excellency of knowing the bible, sorry i meant Christ.

It's rather telling how they demand answers but never answer questions themselves, they disappear for a few pages and then claim they have answered questions and in a very unchrist like manner refuse to assist you in where they claim they answered you. The pharisees did the same thing, continually questioned Jesus, but disappeared when Jesus turned and asked them questions.
ya, seems harsh, but hard to deny. Unfortunately, it seems that this can only be read by someone who has come out the other side, and can only be understood as condemnation to a fundie. I have come to see the conversation as one of attempting to convince a plantation owner that slavery is immoral; what is the point?
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Old 09-23-2016, 02:01 PM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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Omega, you have had your questions answered even the ones you didn't ask me. Now could you kindly tell me why Jesus told those who DID perform miracles, cast out demons and prophesied were told by him I never knew you ?.
Give me the post number where you answered that question.
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