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Odd that He found it necessary to die for us, given the fact He said no man took His life, He laid it down willingly. Wonder how He was so deceived that He found it necessary to die? I mean, since sin is no big thing to G-d and all. And He even found it necessary to rebuke Peter who let Satan speak through him against that very thing, ie. the manner in which He should die, and He added that Satan (and Peter by agreeing with him) savored not the things which be of G-d, but the things which be of men, for good measure. Like trying to save one's own skin, for instance, thereby keeping the flesh alive. And didn't He say He ALWAYS does that which pleases His Father? So many questions, so little time...Peace
He didn't die.
He was only restin'. Just pinin' for the fjords.
He pretended to die for a couple of days and then lofted himself up to heaven, to sit at Dad's right hand and shake his son-of-godly head at mankind's floundering.
Odd that He found it necessary to die for us, given the fact He said no man took His life, He laid it down willingly. Wonder how He was so deceived that He found it necessary to die? I mean, since sin is no big thing to G-d and all. And He even found it necessary to rebuke Peter who let Satan speak through him against that very thing, ie. the manner in which He should die, and He added that Satan (and Peter by agreeing with him) savored not the things which be of G-d, but the things which be of men, for good measure. Like trying to save one's own skin, for instance, thereby keeping the flesh alive. And didn't He say He ALWAYS does that which pleases His Father? So many questions, so little time...Peace
Not odd at all. His acquiescence out of agape love for all inevitably led to His scourging and crucifixion at the hand of our brutal barbarian ancestors. He did nothing to defend or protect Himself or resist in any way their evil intent. Did you miss that central message about turning cheeks and He who would save His life will lose it, and no greater love, etc.??? What else would such a complete demonstration of perfect agape love achieve in the face of human evil, Rbbi???
Thanks for the quotation mark. But, unless you consider Scripture to be my speculation, I would suggest that you are the one who is speculating. Don't those who believe in Jesus Christ have "eternal life?" Are you suggesting that eternal doesn't really mean eternal?
Eternal Life does not mean "never ending". Eternal in this instance means "true life", "spiritual life", "virtuous life". Not that I think it will have an end, but for example, I would not want to have never ending life in a mortal body, yet I HAVE received ETERNAL LIFE from God, though I am still serving time in the death realm.
Odd that He found it necessary to die for us, given the fact He said no man took His life, He laid it down willingly. Wonder how He was so deceived that He found it necessary to die? I mean, since sin is no big thing to G-d and all. And He even found it necessary to rebuke Peter who let Satan speak through him against that very thing, ie. the manner in which He should die, and He added that Satan (and Peter by agreeing with him) savored not the things which be of G-d, but the things which be of men, for good measure. Like trying to save one's own skin, for instance, thereby keeping the flesh alive. And didn't He say He ALWAYS does that which pleases His Father? So many questions, so little time...Peace
i think this is a subject change from the one over-emphasizing man's fallen nature, making it over-arching rather than being creation-centered.
Odd that He found it necessary to die for us, given the fact He said no man took His life, He laid it down willingly. Wonder how He was so deceived that He found it necessary to die?
There was no question that he had to die, fundamentalism will do away with anything to remain ruling over the folk the sent one came to set free. The cross was demonstration of the love of God, tell me what more could he have done to show the extent of that love ?.
Surely they will respect my son .......But when the fundamentalists saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Not odd at all. His acquiescence out of agape love for all inevitably led to His scourging and crucifixion at the hand of our brutal barbarian ancestors. He did nothing to defend or protect Himself or resist in any way their evil intent. Did you miss that central message about turning cheeks and He who would save His life will lose it, and no greater love, etc.??? What else would such a complete demonstration of perfect agape love achieve in the face of human evil, Rbbi???
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There was no question that he had to die, fundamentalism will do away with anything to remain ruling over the folk the sent one came to set free. The cross was demonstration of the love of God, tell me what more could he have done to show the extent of that love ?.
Surely they will respect my son .......But when the fundamentalists saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
There was no question that he had to die, fundamentalism will do away with anything to remain ruling over the folk the sent one came to set free. The cross was demonstration of the love of God, tell me what more could he have done to show the extent of that love ?.
Surely they will respect my son .......But when the fundamentalists saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
But what you fail to see in your fundy bashing blindness, is that G-d the Father did it, because what the enemy meant for evil, G-d meant for good, BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN USE EVIL TO DESTROY EVIL.
Which is why the Word says that if the enemy had known what the plan was, he would have never crucified the son of glory. Peace
Not odd at all. His acquiescence out of agape love for all inevitably led to His scourging and crucifixion at the hand of our brutal barbarian ancestors. He did nothing to defend or protect Himself or resist in any way their evil intent. Did you miss that central message about turning cheeks and He who would save His life will lose it, and no greater love, etc.??? What else would such a complete demonstration of perfect agape love achieve in the face of human evil, Rbbi???
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Originally Posted by pcamps
There was no question that he had to die, fundamentalism will do away with anything to remain ruling over the folk the sent one came to set free. The cross was demonstration of the love of God, tell me what more could he have done to show the extent of that love ?.
Surely they will respect my son .......But when the fundamentalists saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1
But what you fail to see in your fundy bashing blindness, is that G-d the Father did it, because what the enemy meant for evil, G-d meant for good, BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN USE EVIL TO DESTROY EVIL.
Which is why the Word says that if the enemy had known what the plan was, he would have never crucified the son of glory. Peace
Sick rationale defending a false view of God's true nature and motives. Sad, very sad.
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