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Old 10-24-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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Of course the church presents the doctrines of the denomination, but that does not mean we have to accept them.
lol sorry, that's hogwash, as evidenced by the fact that All Muslims Are Lost, as far as you are concerned, right? Or even that Protestants claim Catholics are all lost, and vice versa. please.
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Old 10-24-2016, 03:45 PM
 
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That is simply untrue, if any believer steals or lies right before they die without repenting from it, that doesn't mean they will go to hell. Our salvation isn't that much of a gamble of hoping we die in the right circumstances. What matters is whether or not we put our faith in Jesus Christ in our lives before we die, that is going to determine eternal heaven or eternal hell. Suicide is not in any case an unforgiveable sin, just like lying or stealing is not unforgiveable - and if we have truly put our faith in Jesus Christ, eternal life is not a gamble. God will forgive us of suicide just as He forgives us of any other sin.. not because we are so cute and we deserve it, but because of the atoning Sacrifice that Jesus made for our sins.
The STATE OF MIND and ultimate character of each person is what will determine their status at death, but it has nothing to do with salvation. Jesus took care of that and it is finished.
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Old 10-24-2016, 06:33 PM
 
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The STATE OF MIND and ultimate character of each person is what will determine their status at death, but it has nothing to do with salvation. Jesus took care of that and it is finished.
Then why did He say as I say;

"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above. No one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and spirit."

"Not everyone who cries to me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but only those who do the will of my heavenly Father.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:14 AM
 
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Then why did He say as I say;

"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above. No one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and spirit."


"No one can see" as in not able to understand or comprehend the "Reign" of G-d...Kingdom is a mistranslation which leads one to envision an actual Kingdom...

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"Not everyone who cries to me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but only those who do the will of my heavenly Father.
And exactly what is that will?...
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:03 AM
 
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"No one can see" as in not able to understand or comprehend the "Reign" of G-d...Kingdom is a mistranslation which leads one to envision an actual Kingdom...



And exactly what is that will?...
I came down from heaven to preach the good news of the kingdom of heaven, to testify the truth and do the will of my heavenly Father.
Anyone who chooses to do His will shall know about this teaching namely if it comes from God or I am speaking on my own. Whoever speaks on his own seeks his own glory but he who seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Do so and you will live.
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Old 10-26-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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lol sorry, that's hogwash, as evidenced by the fact that All Muslims Are Lost, as far as you are concerned, right? Or even that Protestants claim Catholics are all lost, and vice versa. please.



According to Jesus--they are all lost--catholics and all of its branches( protestants)-- see Mark 3:24-26-- a house divided will not stand. Thus a jhouse divided is not of God or his son--see 1Cor 1:10-- unity of thought-no division= the one true religion.
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Old 10-26-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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The STATE OF MIND and ultimate character of each person is what will determine their status at death, but it has nothing to do with salvation. Jesus took care of that and it is finished.
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Then why did He say as I say;
"No one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born from above. No one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and spirit."
"Not everyone who cries to me Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but only those who do the will of my heavenly Father.
Your interpretations of scripture are absurd and very naive'. I have explained what the actual water of life is and how we are to produce rivers of living water within us by overcoming and enduring to the end.
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"No one can see" as in not able to understand or comprehend the "Reign" of G-d...Kingdom is a mistranslation which leads one to envision an actual Kingdom.
Amen! Kings and kingdoms are anachronistic and have nothing to do with our spiritual destiny.
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Old 10-26-2016, 06:22 PM
 
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Hey, did anyone ever mention that the word is "alludes"? Just wondering.

Carry on.
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Old 10-26-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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The STATE OF MIND and ultimate character of each person is what will determine their status at death, but it has nothing to do with salvation. Jesus took care of that and it is finished.
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Your interpretations of scripture are absurd and very naive'. I have explained what the actual water of life is and how we are to produce rivers of living water within us by overcoming and enduring to the end.
Amen! Kings and kingdoms are anachronistic and have nothing to do with our spiritual destiny.
How do you come up with this stuff?

Pharmaceuticals?
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Old 10-27-2016, 01:47 AM
 
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Your interpretations of scripture are absurd and very naive'. I have explained what the actual water of life is and how we are to produce rivers of living water within us by overcoming and enduring to the end.
Amen! Kings and kingdoms are anachronistic and have nothing to do with our spiritual destiny.
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How do you come up with this stuff?
Pharmaceuticals?
Intellect and years of study and acquired knowledge something you probably don't know much about.
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