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Jesus says that if salt loses its seasoning then it is to be thrown out. This after calling the disciples salt. So here he is saying they can lose there worthiness.
Matthew 5:13 NRS
"You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how can its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything, but is thrown out and trampled under foot."
Jesus also eludes to the fact one must continue in His word to be a disciple. Another fact that one can lose there salvation.
John 8:31
"If you continue in my word you are truly my discple then you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."
Do you agree?
What is the WORD of Jesus?
LOVE ONE ANOTHER, by this the world will KNOW you are my disciple...
No. He says it is the Father's will that He wouldn't lose those that are given to Him. They key here is the Father's will. Remember Jesus said He came to do the Fathers will. He also said He was sent to testify the truth.
And if you believe that Jesus would lose one of those given to him, you believe that he is going against the Father's will. Do you not see the contradiction you're speaking?
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Doing the will of God some may discover is testifying the truth. This is how one is given to the son of man. This is how the son frees you. Becoming the son of man sets you free. He did say;"As the Father sent me so I send you." So do it.
And the will of God is that we believe in Jesus. (John 6:29)
And if we believe, we belong to Jesus--and he promised he would not lose us.
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"If the son frees you (becoming the son) you shall truly be free."
I have no idea what the "becoming the son" means to you. But the point is that f we are truly free....we are free. It's not up to us to maintain that freedom by being a slave to the Law.
Jesus says that if salt loses its seasoning then it is to be thrown out. This after calling the disciples salt. So here he is saying they can lose there worthiness.
Matthew 5:13 NRS
"You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how can its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything, but is thrown out and trampled under foot."
Jesus also eludes to the fact one must continue in His word to be a disciple. Another fact that one can lose there salvation.
John 8:31
"If you continue in my word you are truly my discple then you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."
Do you agree?
It is not referring to losing salvation. If you one day stop serving God the way you did before, your usefulness as a 'seasoning' is reduced, or eliminated, but it doesn't mean you lose your salvation.
And if you believe that Jesus would lose one of those given to him, you believe that he is going against the Father's will. Do you not see the contradiction you're speaking?
And the will of God is that we believe in Jesus. (John 6:29)
And if we believe, we belong to Jesus--and he promised he would not lose us.
I have no idea what the "becoming the son" means to you. But the point is that f we are truly free....we are free. It's not up to us to maintain that freedom by being a slave to the Law.
Doing the works of God is doing the will of God and believing in the One God sent. The reason you do not believe is you don't do the works of God.
Believing is as He described it and that is to do the works He did by abiding and remaining in His word as instructed and acting as He was sent as instructed.
The son is as God has said, to be His servant. Jesus said those who do the will of God are His brothers, His family. They are One as He said. One with Him and One in the Father.
Jesus says that if salt loses its seasoning then it is to be thrown out. This after calling the disciples salt. So here he is saying they can lose there worthiness.
Matthew 5:13 NRS
"You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how can its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything, but is thrown out and trampled under foot."
Jesus also eludes to the fact one must continue in His word to be a disciple. Another fact that one can lose there salvation.
John 8:31
"If you continue in my word you are truly my discple then you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."
Doing the works of God is doing the will of God and believing in the One God sent. The reason you do not believe is you don't do the works of God.
So....you think that DOING work makes us believe? And that we are saved because of those works?
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Believing is as He described it and that is to do the works He did by abiding and remaining in His word as instructed and acting as He was sent as instructed.
As WHO described? Jesus said the will of God is to believe in Jesus. That's all we have to do.
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The son is as God has said, to be His servant. Jesus said those who do the will of God are His brothers, His family. They are One as He said. One with Him and One in the Father.
Yes--if we believe, we will do as Jesus commanded. Notice that's IF WE BELIEVE. Belief comes first, and then works. And Jesus never suggested that we have to work for our salvation.
But what do you mean by "They are One as He said. One with Him and One in the Father"? Are you suggesting we somehow become divine?
As WHO described? Jesus said the will of God is to believe in Jesus. That's all we have to do.
Your easy believism is as wrong as PG's parroting of the Bible. The narrow Way is agape love of God and each other every day and repenting when we don't.
So....you think that DOING work makes us believe? And that we are saved because of those works?
As WHO described? Jesus said the will of God is to believe in Jesus. That's all we have to do.
Yes--if we believe, we will do as Jesus commanded. Notice that's IF WE BELIEVE. Belief comes first, and then works. And Jesus never suggested that we have to work for our salvation.
But what do you mean by "They are One as He said. One with Him and One in the Father"? Are you suggesting we somehow become divine?
To continue in His word is to be a disciple as He stated. He also said that He sent His disciples into the world as He was sent with the same words given to Him. If that is not working out your salvation I don't know what is.
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