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In the Soviet Union, where my ancestors hail from, being strictly a homemaker and mother was forbidden and carried punishments anywhere from monetary fines to years in gulag. If was a very grim, drab form of feminism: the powers that be really, I mean really, wanted all women chained to the machines and the bureaus. Of course, having children was OK, but only as long as it did not interfere with your professional productivity - which meant you sent them to day care to be brought up by the state as early as possible.
When the USSR fell apart in the beginning of the 90es, the women discovered with joy that they were now free to either pursue a career, or become self-employed, or devote themselves to motherhood. And some of them had husbands who loved them well enough so as to provide for the latter situation.
What I see in the attitude of the abovementioned "liberated" men is a subtle push for women to return back to the Soviet situation. And of course that push does not come from themselves (I believe Nate, Zthatzmanz28, Trout and others really have only good intentions) but from corporate interests. Except that now these corporate interests cannot employ the sheer violence of the state to coerse women into submission. So they use subtler methods - shaming and marginalization of any choice that is not in line with their own objectives. It has nothing to do with religion or lack thereof, but simply with capitalism and increasing profits.
Well stated and some accurate points. Having the children raised by state-run daycares and schools also increases the effectiveness of political indoctrination, at least in theory, since they are in the state's care for so many of their formative years. Granted, in the earlier years of communism, policies and official thought was different, e.g. Stalin and the Hero Mothers and so forth, but that's going pretty far back; for the last 30+ years of the USSR, abortion was one of the main methods of birth control.
Abortion rates were very high behind the Iron Curtain as well, for various reasons including poor central planning that made birth control hard to get or get reliably. Rates of termination have steadily declined since the fall of the USSR, so that's a positive.
I think it is important to value motherhood. Perhaps my feelings are too strong on this topic, however, as I am one of those people who believes having a family is a joy in life and has tremendous value and worth in and of itself, and I have met a number of childless people who disagree with those sorts of opinions and think children are an annoyance, etc. There are also lots of economic arguments on all of these social topics, but I won't get into those since this is the Christianity forum.
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To them, you aren’t separate but equal, as they might claim from the pulpit. You may be made in the image of God, but not in the same way that they are. You are inferior. You are lesser than. You are Adam’s rib meat; baby machines, meal preparers, arm candy, pleasure tools designed by God for men to use as they desire. Some of these men of God will have the guts to actually say this, others will simply prove it to you. They are proving it to you now. Listen to them.
In the Soviet Union, where my ancestors hail from, being strictly a homemaker and mother was forbidden and carried punishments anywhere from monetary fines to years in gulag. If was a very grim, drab form of feminism: the powers that be really, I mean really, wanted all women chained to the machines and the bureaus. Of course, having children was OK, but only as long as it did not interfere with your professional productivity - which meant you sent them to day care to be brought up by the state as early as possible.
When the USSR fell apart in the beginning of the 90es, the women discovered with joy that they were now free to either pursue a career, or become self-employed, or devote themselves to motherhood. And some of them had husbands who loved them well enough so as to provide for the latter situation.
What I see in the attitude of the abovementioned "liberated" men is a subtle push for women to return back to the Soviet situation. And of course that push does not come from themselves (I believe Nate, Zthatzmanz28, Trout and others really have only good intentions) but from corporate interests. Except that now these corporate interests cannot employ the sheer violence of the state to coerse women into submission. So they use subtler methods - shaming and marginalization of any choice that is not in line with their own objectives. It has nothing to do with religion or lack thereof, but simply with capitalism and increasing profits.
Okay, I understand where you are coming from now. It really comes down to oppression either way, with The Powers That Be deciding how much freedom their subjects should be allowed to have. Restricting women from having children and being home to raise them is every bit as tyrannical as only allowing women to exist in the domestic sphere and vulnerable to abuse and poverty. Whether it's based on a holy book or a political/economic ideology, it's not okay.
You think I am like the ones who decided that "deaconess" CAN'T mean the holder of the office of deacon because women are disqualified from being a deacon?
No, I look at the context of the verse you cited and see clearly that the other references have NO bearing on the identity of the "Advocate." THEN I look at the OTHER recorded promises of the Spirit and see NO basis whatsoever for ambiguity.
THEN I conclude from your MANY entries on the subject that your DOCTRINE is your starting point and NOT the pertnnt scripture.
Wrong on all three, but everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Yours drive your perceptions as well.
Mine are based on scripture first and then I change my views to fit it, as led by the promised spirit.
Seriously? Isn't that how science worked in the 13th century??
Not sure amount of science or history you have been exposed to.
But most American education systems are built to withhold information. They do not provide the necessary applications of skills needed.
Look at mathematics for example and then apply carpentry.
The devil is so cunning. He loves to turn people against others but the worst he has ever done is turn women against men and vice versa. He hates humans.
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