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The anti- Messiah mindsets are preliterating as prophecied . As we christians see a excelleration of attack modes demonically we have to put on the amour. As christian men of the christian right we love women and fellowship with them on unequal basis. I go out on a limb with no intention of embelliousing my counter to the thread theme and say many christian women have educated me in the Lord. As for my wife I love her as myself . Do not listen to agnostic lies and the spirits that we have been warned will literally be released from the pits of hell! Women are held in great esteme, praise and love by the so-called right!!! ( I hate that right title I prefer "believers")!
BUT, there may be good reason for the described situation to obtain in his household. The problem comes when they say that's the way it SHOULD be because God ordained it that way.
Here is part of the problem. Some "Christians" say women are lesser, etc. But not all. Thus saying "religion" is the problem is too broad. The OP started with Right Wing, which is a political stand, and as one post pointed out Left Wing "Christians" are just as bad.
It isn't what God has ordained, as you note.
I always find it interesting how many posts go from a few who are wrong, etc to the broad generalization of all. It depends on if a person is following what the Bible actually teaches or what men have decided they want to teach.
Both candidates have serious issues. The question is, Twin, do you as a Christian man sweep the harmful attitudes about women espoused by your candidate of choice under the rug and pretend they don't matter?
I'll need to first consider whether you are asking a worth while question or fail to see again the delusional hypocrisy of OP's like this.
You continue throwing out baseless claims and accusations - doing the work of the adversary.
My wife of 22 years has a master's degree. I have a bachelor's degree.
You are the insecure one - in that you feel the need to spend your time here tearing down something in which you don't believe instead of doing something positive. Insecure people tear down when they have nothing positive to offer.
John 10:10 - The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
Here is part of the problem. Some "Christians" say women are lesser, etc. But not all. Thus saying "religion" is the problem is too broad. The OP started with Right Wing, which is a political stand, and as one post pointed out Left Wing "Christians" are just as bad.
It isn't what God has ordained, as you note.
I always find it interesting how many posts go from a few who are wrong, etc to the broad generalization of all. It depends on if a person is following what the Bible actually teaches or what men have decided they want to teach.
Zthatz may be accused of hyperbole, BUT the characterization of "Right Wing" or Fundamentalist holds as I have not seen ONE who does not think that women should be and are restricted by God's ordination.
You continue throwing out baseless claims and accusations - doing the work of the adversary.
My wife of 22 years has a master's degree. I have a bachelor's degree.
You are the insecure one - in that you feel the need to spend your time here tearing down something in which you don't believe instead of doing something positive. Insecure people tear down when they have nothing positive to offer.
John 10:10 - The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.
Both candidates have serious issues. The question is, Twin, do you as a Christian man sweep the harmful attitudes about women espoused by your candidate of choice under the rug and pretend they don't matter?
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Originally Posted by twin.spin
I'll need to first consider whether you are asking a worth while question or fail to see again the delusional hypocrisy of OP's like this.
Your decision about whether or not to sweep the harmful attitudes about women espoused by your candidate of choice under the rug and pretend they don't matter ... is dependent on me?
How many of those are dated BEFORE the Neo-Platonist influence of the early 2nd century?
Several. The actual impact of Platonism came after about 150 AD and had its greatest impact by the 3rd century. Since we see no real changes until after that, it is unlikely any significant ones occurred. In the 1st and 2nd centuries the originals were around and if you read the first "fathers" you will see no real change in any teaching. It started after that and took time to develop. We see the first real change occurring in Justin Martyr and even he is in disagreement with later "fathers" in many areas.We can also look to other MS from that period like the Syriac and Coptic and we see minimal if any changes.
Origen, writing in the 3rd century, was one of the first who made remarks about differences between manuscripts of texts that were eventually collected as the New Testament. He declared his preferences among variant readings. For example, in Matthew 27:16–17, he favored "Barabbas" against "Jesus Barabbas" (In Matt. Comm. ser. 121). In John 1:28, he preferred "Bethabara" over "Bethany" as the location where John was baptizing (Commentary on John VI.40 (24)). "Gergeza" was preferred over "Geraza" or "Gadara" (Commentary on John VI.40 (24) – see Matthew 8:28). At Hebrews 2:9, Origen noticed two different readings: "apart from God" and "by the grace of God". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textua..._New_Testament
We can see this in the writings of Ignatius that were changed and even now the existing ones may be different than the originals regardless of what people think is the original wording. The 3rd century was a period of great change and heavily impacted by Greek philosophy especially Plato's thoughts.
In most cases the quotations of Scripture of later "fathers" read the same and the changes that did occur came well ter the 2nd century and we can see them.
There is a vast difference between their theology and scripture. Many arguments were based on man's reasoning. A good example is the Trinity. People us John 1:1 to say it was taught, yet not one single father in the 1st or 2nd century ever used it and even into the 3rd. They knew the language and knew it didn't read as translated today. Ditto many other verses today. As to women I am not aware of anything in scripture or the early "fathers' that dissed them, though Greek thought did lower women to a secondary (or lower) position.
I believe you're a good guy, with good and sincere intentions, who loves and respects his wife, based on your post. But I don't think you understand the subtle and insidious influence religion has had on you in your ideas about being the leader and head of your wife. I relate, because I know those ideas have had an influence on my own ideas about myself as a woman.
I can relate too Pleroo. They have been conditioned to not see it. What's worse is they call it love. Assigning honor as weaker vessel is no honor at all. No matter, the secret is out. To quote the Prophet Gabriel:
All my instincts, they return
And the grand facade, so soon will burn
Without a noise, without my pride
I reach out from the inside
Man IS to be the head of the household and IS to manage his home within the marriage covenant. That does NOT connote Kingship, Ruler, Boss, Or The final answer ! Scripture teaches the head/ management thing as part of a more extension of Gods plan and marriage covenant. The "man" as an integral gender identified by God within the natural role assigned(s). The women isn't to be a slave or in bondage to the man in or out of the marriage covenant! There is a reciprocal of serving one another and loving one another . God has created the formula that is going to continue to be perverted by unchurched, biblically dislinked and despises that which is good seeking that which is evil as good.
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BUT, there may be good reason for the described situation to obtain in his household. The problem comes when they say that's the way it SHOULD be because God ordained it that way.
