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Old 10-26-2016, 08:50 PM
 
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So you see heaven as a capitalistic system with god at the helm?

If, as the book says, god will provide, is that not socialist?
No God would be our eternal Father. There is no government in heaven.
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Old 10-27-2016, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Google:"lib·er·a·tion the·ol·o·gy
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a movement in Christian theology, developed mainly by Latin American Roman Catholics, that emphasizes liberation from social, political, and economic oppression as an anticipation of ultimate salvation.
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:38 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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No God would be our eternal Father. There is no government in heaven.
there still exists a system and that would be a mirror image of socialism where ONE central entity (GOD) provides for everyone all their needs..

You can deny it is "government" but keep in mind that government is a mind that government is a man made construct...
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Old 10-27-2016, 02:39 AM
 
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I don't know about other Church since I don't pay much attention to them but I know Catholic charities is the largest charity in the world and no way could they hoard money when they pay out so much of it around the world.
ROFLMAO...do you know the net worth of the RCC?




What we do know is that Vatican Bank, officially titled the Institute for the Works of Religion, manages €5.9bn ($7.3bn, £4.64bn) of assets on behalf of its 17,400 customers. And it manages €700m of equity which it owns. Another titbit to emerge is that it keeps gold reserves worth over $20m with the US Federal Reserve.


In 2013, NBC News published an article referring to the Catholic Church as an "$8 billion global institution," but the exact dollar amount of the Church's total net worth is extremely difficult to pin down.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:06 PM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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Yes, the belief no government can control a person body and soul like that.
sure, i understand what you are saying, even if it is patently untrue. If one does not believe the Gov has no control of their body, then they can try not paying taxes--for instance--or refusing to report for duty when conscripted, etc, and they will shortly be disabused of this notion, wouldn't you say?
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:08 PM
 
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No God would be our eternal Father. There is no government in heaven.
um, but heaven is not where the kingdom is supposed to be manifest, is it? There is no place called heaven to govern. We belong on earth, we pray "on earth as it is in heaven," the New Jerusalem will be on earth, etc.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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Google:"lib·er·a·tion the·ol·o·gy
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a movement in Christian theology, developed mainly by Latin American Roman Catholics, that emphasizes liberation from social, political, and economic oppression as an anticipation of ultimate salvation.
so, anathema to Scripture, no doubt there.
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Old 10-27-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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so, anathema to Scripture, no doubt there.
Yes, the antithesis of "freedom in Christ."
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Old 10-27-2016, 10:42 PM
 
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sure, i understand what you are saying, even if it is patently untrue. If one does not believe the Gov has no control of their body, then they can try not paying taxes--for instance--or refusing to report for duty when conscripted, etc, and they will shortly be disabused of this notion, wouldn't you say?
Yes, we can break the law and be arrested but the government still does not own our soul and we still have freedom if we go to jail or not. Some spend years in jail in a corrupt government, look at Madella. And some never answer for their crimes, look at Sharpton owing millions in taxes yet walks free.

Ever hear "life if not fair?"
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Old 10-28-2016, 02:09 AM
 
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Yes, we can break the law and be arrested but the government still does not own our soul
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yes, so as i suspected, this did not come out, and the one case of not buying and selling--who has no case--gets back up not once but twice, to improperly conflate God with the Constitution, that he has pledged allegiance to, and the state senate even confirms that he is doing just fine there...so who fired him? Why does he not stand up for his faith, in the Constitution, and oh ya God too, with all of this backing?

and it is not a puzzle, how these cases of buying and selling will end-- after all, the decision has already been made--so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark: the beast's name or the number of his name, which we see reflected in the precedence already set in the Lakewood Cake case et al, and which the Catholics that comprise the Supreme Court are not going to reverse. "...and you yourselves can become his servants. 18When that day comes, you will cry out because of the king you’ve chosen for yourselves,  but the LORD won’t answer you on that day.” 

These are great people, Christian Patriots All, on a wonderful journey of discovering that there is no such thing. Trade me some cake, and flowers, and t shirts, for my hemp, and my goat's milk, and my eggs, and politely refuse to pay taxes (or vote, or talk to police--except in the Public Interest), which are always the clue that you are completely sucked in to the world, and have made yourself subject to the Law.

See how there can be no case--as distinct from the guy with an airtight case, who has no case--against trading, because there is no law; and not because they haven't tried, they have tried mightily. There might even be some slippery ordinance somewhere, that no one can enforce, of course, and one need have no fear of even advertising their desire to trade--it's all over CL--because if they get sued, they am going to win.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?417426...ion&start=1922
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and we still have freedom if we go to jail or not. Some spend years in jail in a corrupt government, look at Madella.
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And some never answer for their crimes, look at Sharpton owing millions in taxes yet walks free.

Ever hear "life if not fair?"
oh, i bet it balances out pretty good
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